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To: Calpernia
Compound this eye opening news with the Oil For Food scandal (UN and non-Ally corruption) and the whole policy against going to war in Iraq blows up in the left's face.

We've got to get the world on the same page politically (America is not the "ENEMY" and neither are "CORPORATIONS") so that we can fight side by side against the current threat to Western civilization and that is Islamic terrorism.

Does this mean we have to agree on domestic issues? No. Lawmakers will still debate laws on the floors of Congress (state and federal).

Does this mean we have to rout out all of the corrupt politicians in Europe? That is for their citizens to decide in elections or criminal proceedings.

Does this mean we have to bring about regime change in the muslim nations? Not at all. We DO need to eradicate state sponsorship of international terrorism (this is what is meant by "you are either with us or against us").

Does this mean that there will be world peace when the "war on terrorism" is finished? No. There are currently 34 armed conflicts (wars) going on in the world (at least by several tallies), some are internal to a nation. War will continue to be with us unfortunately. A more pressing question is how many of those conflicts are we currently involved in and how many of them involved muslims?

One of the things that must occur in order to end the war on Islamic terrorism is for muslims to have an Islamic reformation movement. Some will say that they have no association with radical Islam but that does not go far enough. They need to bring about change from within. No more jihad (physical holy war), no more nations under Islamic law (end the 3 classes of people under Islamic law: muslims, Jews/Christians, and "everybody else"), religious freedom for all (free to convert in and out of Islam, free to depict Mohammed any which way).

I see far more outrage and outspoken muslim critics of mosques/clerics that accept practicing homosexuals than I do of those mosques/clerics that teach violence, dominance, superiority, antiSemitism, etc. This is the "religion of peace"?

Some may bring up Christianity's own unappealing periods. Christianity WENT through a reformation hundreds of years ago. Islam has not (and some say that a true reading of the Koran PREVENTS such tampering).

Other organizations/practitioners besides muslims engage in terrorism but the chief threat to continued existence comes from the Islamic terrorists. Some may point to the Oklahoma City bombing as evidence of another looming threat but there are still some unfinished threads in that attack (John Doe #2). Also Bill Clinton's administration hounded "right wing extremists" for years after that. Where was the "next attack" (or even "big catch") as he harassed his political critics? Don't forget to include the environmentalist movement's terrorists, PETA's terrorists, the antiglobalist anarchists' terrorists...

No the war on terrorism is not just a war on Islamic terrorists. Unfortunately with state sponsorship of Islamic terrorism (seeking weapons of mass destruction that are biological, chemical, and/or nuclear) it remains the terrorist threat poised to do the most harm to the most people.

Some leftists may state that corporations affect more people. Do these corporations/governments DELIBERATELY poison rivers or gun down children?

To keep infighting while the wolf is at the door is at our own peril.

17 posted on 11/06/2004 6:31:12 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

Another link to identify just how Zogby's name came to stand for this technique:

ZOGBY's DELUSIONS
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1270705/posts?

Polling firm Zogby International accurately predicted President Bush's Ohio victory, as well as the defeat of Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota, and accurately forecast the outcome of every Senate race in our final battleground poll, conducted October 29 through November 1, 2004. The margin of error was +/- 4.1 percentage points.

PRESIDENTIAL VOTE -2004

STATE BUSH KERRY

CO-Actual 53% 46% CO-Zogby 49% 47%

FL-Actual 52% 47% FL-Zogby 48% 48%

IA-Actual 50% 49% IA-Zogby 45% 50%

MI-Actual 48% 51% MI-Zogby 46% 52%

MN-Actual 48% 51% MN-Zogby 45% 51%

NV-Actual 51% 48% NV-Zogby 50% 45%

NM-Actual 50% 49% NM-Zogby 48% 51%

OH-Actual 51% 49% OH-Zogby 49% 43%

PA-Actual 49% 51% PA-Zogby 46% 50%

WI-Actual 49% 50% WI-Zogby 45% 51%

** Zogby FINAL Oct. 29-Nov. 1, MOE +/- 4.1

SENATE RACES

DASCHLE THUNE SD-Actual 49% 51% SD-Zogby 46% 48% Oct 25-26 MOE +/- 3.5

SALAZAR COORS CO-Actual 51% 47% CO-Zogby 52% 44% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

MARTINEZ CASTOR FL-Actual 50% 48% FL-Zogby 48% 43% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

GRASSLEY SMALL IA-Actual 70% 28% IA-Zogby 69% 20% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

REID ZISER NV-Actual 61% 35% NV-Zogby 57% 34% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

VOINOVICH FINGERHUT OH-Actual 64% 36% OH-Zogby 56% 32% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

SPECTER HOEFFEL PA-Actual 53% 42% PA-Zogby 53% 32% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1

FEINGOLD MICHELS WI-Actual 56% 44% WI-Zogby 58% 38% Oct 29-Nov 1 MOE +/- 4.1





He claims that he called it right. Uhm...Didn't he predict Kerry to win more than 300 votes? In what universe is he? His defense of his predictions shows that he knows he is f-----.


18 posted on 11/06/2004 7:12:07 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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