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To: Timeout
Thank you for your continuing slog to hold newspaper's editors, writers and the likes feet to the fire!

Your and our anger are completely justified. As a matter of fact if you lived in Florida you'd probably explode from the daily bullbleep we're treated to. Remember recently the hysterical screeching from Corrine Brown on the House floor?

Her words were stricken from the record but luckily we have a TV clip! Click here!

It will be a mess on Nov. 3, 2004, wonder if my doctor will prescribe some Valium or something...

Speaking of slogging, I watched that PBS Frontline show, 'The Choice 2004' and came away with one interesting tid bit about Kerry. He thought we rushed to war in the first Gulf War!

Frontline tracks the lives of GWB and Effin' (although much of Effin's life before VietNam wasn't included), so there were plenty of Kerry speeches to revisit. As I watched, it seemed that including Operation Enduring Freedom there were a total of three wars he said we rushed into. But my memory fades and can't remember if the third one was Kosovo or VietNam.

My mouth fell open when I heard his speech on the first Gulf War saying we rushed into it, didn't have enough allies and so forth. Here's a quote from MSNBC on the subject:

He joined most Senate Democrats in voting against use of U.S. military forces in 1991 after Saddam Hussein’s army invaded Kuwait. Kerry preferred relying on an economic embargo against Iraq to put pressure on Saddam to pull his troops out of Kuwait.

“We think we can get it over with an acceptable level of casualties,” Kerry said during the 1991 Senate debate. “We seem willing to act ... with more bravado than patience.”

Kerry called it a “war for pride, not for vital interests” and said that “our impatience with (economic) sanctions and diplomacy does not yet warrant that horror." He also complained that "there is a rush to war here."link

In that story it says he supported Kosovo so we must of "rushed into VietNam", I'll look it up when the transcript becomes available.

This from a New Yorker piece tends to make me think it was VietNam he also considered a "rush to war":

Being attacked as a hawk from the left while being dismissed as a dove from the right has helped Kerry to position himself as a centrist on both domestic and foreign policy. But questions about how and when he would use force abroad have vexed him throughout his Presidential bid, not least because he voted against the original Gulf War. Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was an act of naked aggression, Kuwait was an ally, and vigorous American diplomacy had mustered a broad-based international coalition, including troops from five Arab nations, to join in the fighting under a U.N. mandate. During the early primaries, Howard Dean upheld the first Gulf War as being every bit as legitimate as the current one was unjustified, and he questioned Kerry’s judgment as a potential Commander-in-Chief. [Yikes, I agree with Howard on something. But all is forgotten now, Howard's bucking for that coveted Surgeon General position. *snicker*]

Kerry defends his stand on both wars on the same ground: that the action was needlessly rushed, when a little bit more time could have been used to build a lot more support—in 1990 among an almost evenly divided American public, and last year among potential allies. In fact, in his Senate speech against the Gulf War resolution in 1991, Kerry repeatedly invoked the failures and agonies of Vietnam, arguing that the country was not ready to sacrifice another generation to the horrors of combat. He maintained that diplomacy could get Saddam out of Kuwait, and although he insisted that he was not a pacifist, he sure sounded like one when he read to his colleagues from the classic antiwar novel “Johnny Got His Gun.” Link

And from Joe Klein writing for the New Yorker we get a taste of a Kerry college Class Oration:

The speech was notable for its central thesis: "The United States must . . . bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention"—against Communism—"that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."

Kerry went on:

In most emerging nations, the spectre of imperialist capitalism stirs as much fear and hatred as that of communism. To compound the problem, we continue to push forward our will only as we see it and in a fashion that only leads to more mistakes and deeper commitment. Where we should have instructed, it seems we did not; where we should have been patient, it seems we were not; where we should have stayed clear, it seems we would not. . . . Never in the last twenty years has the government of the United States been as isolated as it is today. Link

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Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar doesn't it? And this poop has the nerve to opine that GWB is stubborn in his thinking and won't admit mistakes or correct what Poopin' thinks are mistakes. sheesh!!

Poopin' exhibits the height of arrogance by holding on to old, out dated and proven to be defective foriegn policies. Thank the good Lord he wasn't able to talk during WWII.

104 posted on 10/13/2004 9:50:40 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: BigWaveBetty
... on Nov. 3, 2004, wonder if my doctor will prescribe some Valium or something...

I'm considering voting early and asking the doc for a strong coma-inducing drug. I'll wake up on Nov. 3rd and (hopefully) it will all be over.

Just saw an ad on CNN. Young, bearded man facing the camera: "When they sent me to Iraq, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, but they couldn't be found. They said there was a link between 9/11 and Iraq, but none could be found. They said we'd be home soon after peace was established, but none was to be found and we're still there. I find myself reaching for my right arm....but there's none to be found". (I'm paraphrasing).

Let's see if the "fact checkers" get this one right----it took me all of two minutes:

1. "They sent me to Iraq"? Didn't you volunteer?
2. No one said Iraq was linked to 9/11 (tho I believe it).
3. No one said we'd be home soon. They said the opposite.
Now the zinger: He's lost an arm so no one is allowed to take issue with him.

ugh!

But I did see a great ad last night for the Fla. Senate race. It was on a Mobile channel, I guess aimed at the P'cola audience. It was a former INS officer telling the truth about the Dem's candidate who refused to deal with the terrorists in her midst when she was head of FSU. Martinez is lookin' good.

112 posted on 10/13/2004 12:22:48 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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