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The Guild 10-11-2004 Three Stooges Reunite!

Posted on 10/11/2004 5:04:17 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty

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To: mountaineer

"We were sitting in the Jacuzzi one day and I said I wanted to run for governor - and she started shaking and crying," he revealed.
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Who could blame her?


101 posted on 10/13/2004 8:48:59 AM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: mountaineer

You are right on about Madison - that place is infested with leftist whackjobs. I HATE going there. It is literally a little Berzerkley. Probably a notch below Ithaca. Barely.


102 posted on 10/13/2004 9:07:10 AM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor

My little college town is getting almost as bad, looks like. Ours is the only house I've seen with a Bush sign (in the windows - didn't want to risk having one stolen from the yard). I told Mr. M this morning we are an island of sanity in a sea of liberals. Is it a rule that colleges and universities can hire only leftists?


103 posted on 10/13/2004 9:12:14 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Timeout
Thank you for your continuing slog to hold newspaper's editors, writers and the likes feet to the fire!

Your and our anger are completely justified. As a matter of fact if you lived in Florida you'd probably explode from the daily bullbleep we're treated to. Remember recently the hysterical screeching from Corrine Brown on the House floor?

Her words were stricken from the record but luckily we have a TV clip! Click here!

It will be a mess on Nov. 3, 2004, wonder if my doctor will prescribe some Valium or something...

Speaking of slogging, I watched that PBS Frontline show, 'The Choice 2004' and came away with one interesting tid bit about Kerry. He thought we rushed to war in the first Gulf War!

Frontline tracks the lives of GWB and Effin' (although much of Effin's life before VietNam wasn't included), so there were plenty of Kerry speeches to revisit. As I watched, it seemed that including Operation Enduring Freedom there were a total of three wars he said we rushed into. But my memory fades and can't remember if the third one was Kosovo or VietNam.

My mouth fell open when I heard his speech on the first Gulf War saying we rushed into it, didn't have enough allies and so forth. Here's a quote from MSNBC on the subject:

He joined most Senate Democrats in voting against use of U.S. military forces in 1991 after Saddam Hussein’s army invaded Kuwait. Kerry preferred relying on an economic embargo against Iraq to put pressure on Saddam to pull his troops out of Kuwait.

“We think we can get it over with an acceptable level of casualties,” Kerry said during the 1991 Senate debate. “We seem willing to act ... with more bravado than patience.”

Kerry called it a “war for pride, not for vital interests” and said that “our impatience with (economic) sanctions and diplomacy does not yet warrant that horror." He also complained that "there is a rush to war here."link

In that story it says he supported Kosovo so we must of "rushed into VietNam", I'll look it up when the transcript becomes available.

This from a New Yorker piece tends to make me think it was VietNam he also considered a "rush to war":

Being attacked as a hawk from the left while being dismissed as a dove from the right has helped Kerry to position himself as a centrist on both domestic and foreign policy. But questions about how and when he would use force abroad have vexed him throughout his Presidential bid, not least because he voted against the original Gulf War. Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was an act of naked aggression, Kuwait was an ally, and vigorous American diplomacy had mustered a broad-based international coalition, including troops from five Arab nations, to join in the fighting under a U.N. mandate. During the early primaries, Howard Dean upheld the first Gulf War as being every bit as legitimate as the current one was unjustified, and he questioned Kerry’s judgment as a potential Commander-in-Chief. [Yikes, I agree with Howard on something. But all is forgotten now, Howard's bucking for that coveted Surgeon General position. *snicker*]

Kerry defends his stand on both wars on the same ground: that the action was needlessly rushed, when a little bit more time could have been used to build a lot more support—in 1990 among an almost evenly divided American public, and last year among potential allies. In fact, in his Senate speech against the Gulf War resolution in 1991, Kerry repeatedly invoked the failures and agonies of Vietnam, arguing that the country was not ready to sacrifice another generation to the horrors of combat. He maintained that diplomacy could get Saddam out of Kuwait, and although he insisted that he was not a pacifist, he sure sounded like one when he read to his colleagues from the classic antiwar novel “Johnny Got His Gun.” Link

And from Joe Klein writing for the New Yorker we get a taste of a Kerry college Class Oration:

The speech was notable for its central thesis: "The United States must . . . bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention"—against Communism—"that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world."

Kerry went on:

In most emerging nations, the spectre of imperialist capitalism stirs as much fear and hatred as that of communism. To compound the problem, we continue to push forward our will only as we see it and in a fashion that only leads to more mistakes and deeper commitment. Where we should have instructed, it seems we did not; where we should have been patient, it seems we were not; where we should have stayed clear, it seems we would not. . . . Never in the last twenty years has the government of the United States been as isolated as it is today. Link

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Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar doesn't it? And this poop has the nerve to opine that GWB is stubborn in his thinking and won't admit mistakes or correct what Poopin' thinks are mistakes. sheesh!!

Poopin' exhibits the height of arrogance by holding on to old, out dated and proven to be defective foriegn policies. Thank the good Lord he wasn't able to talk during WWII.

104 posted on 10/13/2004 9:50:40 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: Endeavor
Jerry Della Femina is a bit of a whackjob.

He's apparently a restaurateur and in my opinion one must be a bit whacky to run a restaurant. :-)

But since he's a known whackjob the group probably patted him on the head and thought, there he goes again...

The fact that his house w/castle-turret must drive his highbrow neighbors nutty puts a big smile on my face! Too bad he didn't include a few windmills.

105 posted on 10/13/2004 10:08:11 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: mountaineer

Yes, it's an unwritten rule. There are very few conservative faculty left at major research universities. They are usually in medicine and maybe one or two at the business schools, but not many there. Conservatives are thought of as cretins in academia regardless of the area of study.


106 posted on 10/13/2004 10:09:39 AM PDT by Endeavor
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To: BigWaveBetty

For something light to read after the election is over (and we've hopefully no more fretting to do) get "Philistines At The Gate" - you'll learn all about some of the interesting "eclectic" individuals who live in the Hamptons. Fun reading.


107 posted on 10/13/2004 10:11:11 AM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor; mountaineer

Don't forget to put my town into the mix...the rulers here are trying to turn over 6000 miles of existing roads into toll roads.

Your papers, please.


108 posted on 10/13/2004 10:30:09 AM PDT by lodwick (He that meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.)
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To: Timeout
Chrissy Matthews has gone around the bend...again.

Look out, rant coming....

I can usually make it through a Hardball show, just to keep an eye on the enemy but since he's located the show outside to take advantage of the crowds of screaming college students I have to go elsewhere. It's like watching an Oprah Winfrey show when she's giving away stuff. SCREAM! SCREAM! SCREAM!! It's the only time I've ever wished for a hearing problem.

And then there's Ron Reagan Jr., I can not take that man!!!! He is the most arrogant idiot on the planet. I mean being arrogant is one thing but to be as stupid as that man is and then be arrogant about it, well, it's beyond my ability to suffer through such pain. And I've given birth twice, with no epidurals!

Also Ron is gay! I don't care what anybody says, he's gay, gay, gay!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that but he should quit pretending to be what he's not. I think he's waiting for Nancy to pass so he can come out of the closet. Have you ever seen him toss his curls (even though he's got a crew cut)? It absolutely MADDENING! And the hand gestures, the facial expressions, oh it's all so icky.

I've never had a visceral reaction to a gay man acting fem but Ron has made me understand why I'm so repulsed by Kerry. Kerry is repulsive enough with the way he thinks but add on that acting like a fairy thing and I want to poke my eyes out.

Oh yeah, Chris Matthews is this year's candidate for, "Beatin' O' The Week", once a week for at least a year.

109 posted on 10/13/2004 10:31:33 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: daisyscarlett

Barbara pics..sigh


110 posted on 10/13/2004 10:34:10 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Endeavor
For something light to read after the election is over (and we've hopefully no more fretting to do) get "Philistines At The Gate" -

Thanks I'll put it on my list. I'm reading 'American Solider' off and on right now, it's a big book. Very good, lots of heart warming stories and a some that will make you want to strangle clinton and his cohorts. Gen. Franks writes very well.

As soon as possible I want to get 'Shadow War' by Richard Miniter.

From Amazon.com:

Synopsis
The covert war and near-misses America has experienced since 9/11 are revealed in a study that describes how brave customs officials uncovered and defeated an al Quaeda plot to smuggle terrorists and bombs into the United States and how an assassination plot against President Bush was averted.

Product Description:
Shadow War is the startling report of how President Bush is bringing retribution to the enemy, and keeping America safe.

From the Inside Flap
The three vital, unanswered questions of the War on Terror are:

Where is Osama bin Laden?

Why hasn’t there been another terrorist strike inside America since September 11, 2001?

Is President Bush winning the war?

Shadow War answers these questions. It unfolds during the first nine hundred eleven days of President Bush’s War on Terror, from the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington, D.C., to the March 11, 2004 bomb blasts in Madrid, Spain. It is a story of sleeper cells and patient plots, phone intercepts and covert operations, boldly triumphant captures and heartbreakingly close escapes.

There have been many clandestine victories against al Qaeda. More than 3,000 al Qaeda operatives have been seized or slain in 102 countries since September 11, 2001.

In Shadow War, Richard Miniter, author of the New York Times bestseller Losing bin Laden, files from the front lines in Baghdad, Bangkok, Singapore, Manila, Hong Kong, Khartoum, Cairo, Paris, London, Frankfurt, Hamburg, New York, and Washington, D.C.—uncovering the triumphs and tragedies the media establishment refuses to report.

Inside Shadow War, you’ll discover:

· New intelligence about Osama bin Laden’s secret refuge. The location will surprise you—and has shocking implications for national security.

· The Bush administration’s secret plan to hit al Qaeda before September 11, 2001.

· A never before reported plot to assassinate President Bush in 2002—and the embarrassing intelligence failure it revealed.

· How the 2000 election fiasco left our nation open to terror attacks.

· How America captured the "al Qaeda admiral" and stopped his fifteen-ship fleet from being used as floating bombs.

· Why Iran is financing attacks against American and allied forces in Afghanistan and Iraq

· Why al Qaeda has been sending operatives to scuba school to learn how to dive—but not to resurface

The major media has missed some of the biggest developments in the War on Terror—we get only headlines, sound bites, and snapshots. No record of victories, defeats, or draws. No big picture. Shadow War brings the big picture to life: The unreported story of the War on Terror is that we can win it, and that victories are being won every single day.

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Sounds very good and I wish President Bush would hammer home this kind of specific good news everyday. I know he can't tell us everything but a story about how the 2000 election fiasco left us open to terrorist attacks might open a few eyes. Let's not forget, AG Ashcroft wasn't finally confirmed until May 2001. Thank you democrats!

My FarinHype 911 DVD should be coming in the mail today! Woo hooo!

My copy of Celsius 41.11 DVD should be here next week, allowing two weeks for delivery.

111 posted on 10/13/2004 11:04:47 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: BigWaveBetty
... on Nov. 3, 2004, wonder if my doctor will prescribe some Valium or something...

I'm considering voting early and asking the doc for a strong coma-inducing drug. I'll wake up on Nov. 3rd and (hopefully) it will all be over.

Just saw an ad on CNN. Young, bearded man facing the camera: "When they sent me to Iraq, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, but they couldn't be found. They said there was a link between 9/11 and Iraq, but none could be found. They said we'd be home soon after peace was established, but none was to be found and we're still there. I find myself reaching for my right arm....but there's none to be found". (I'm paraphrasing).

Let's see if the "fact checkers" get this one right----it took me all of two minutes:

1. "They sent me to Iraq"? Didn't you volunteer?
2. No one said Iraq was linked to 9/11 (tho I believe it).
3. No one said we'd be home soon. They said the opposite.
Now the zinger: He's lost an arm so no one is allowed to take issue with him.

ugh!

But I did see a great ad last night for the Fla. Senate race. It was on a Mobile channel, I guess aimed at the P'cola audience. It was a former INS officer telling the truth about the Dem's candidate who refused to deal with the terrorists in her midst when she was head of FSU. Martinez is lookin' good.

112 posted on 10/13/2004 12:22:48 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: Timeout

I'm with you. Let's take the lala drug. I'm so sick and tired of this race. I'm so tired of the lies of the Kerry campaign. I'm so tired of NOT hearing about Kerry's real record - his Senate record.

Let's just vote and get on with it!


113 posted on 10/13/2004 12:28:27 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Timeout
No one said Iraq was linked to 9/11 (tho I believe it).

By all accounts, Saddam actively supported, funded and harbored Al Qaida terrorists (I again think of the 1999 Sheila MacVicar report on ABC News which said exactly that). So how, when 9/11 is Al Qaida's crowning achievement, can it be said that Saddam's longstanding support of that group did not contribute, even tangentially, to that event?

He's lost an arm so no one is allowed to take issue with him.

Another Max Cleland. Given the mendacity of the Democrats, moveon.org and other Kerry-supporting 527s, I don't think it's unreasonable to want proof that this young man really is 1) a former soldier and not just an actor, and 2) missing an arm (think Gary Sinise in "Forest Gump" and the wonders of digital technology); and if both are true, then it was lost in combat.

114 posted on 10/13/2004 12:35:28 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Endeavor

Amen, amen, amen. I'm getting totally stressed from hearing non-stop lies, and not being able to grab Dan Rather or Chris Matthews by the lapels and shake some sense into them (or smack, whatever it takes). Living in this crappy liberal college town doesn't help.


115 posted on 10/13/2004 12:42:59 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

Judy Woodruff currently giving Treasury Sec'y Snow stiff treatment over "job losses" on Bush's watch.

I don't understand why the Bush team has never simply said "Within the first 8 months of his term, the economy had been hit with a stock crash, recession, corporate scandals and 9/ll. He hadn't even submitted his first budget, so job losses related to all those blows were not related to his actions or inactions. Where his policied DID make a difference was in climbing OUT of that hole and we've created xxx jobs since his first tax cut. Today we're well on the road to recovering from those body blows to our economy. And we'd be remiss not to point out that Sen. Kerry and the Democrats fought us tooth and nail every step of the way."

What's so hard about that?


116 posted on 10/13/2004 12:44:50 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: mountaineer

Add David Gergen to that mix!


117 posted on 10/13/2004 12:46:28 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: Timeout
Jim Quinn pointed out on his radio show the other day that the number used by the usual media types within the last week or so about "disappointing job creation numbers in the last quarter" was completely misstated. Instead of only 90-something thousand new jobs, he said it really was several hundred thousand, but Associated Press, et al., took one little portion of the whole and skewed it to fit their purposes. Drat! I wish I'd been listening more closely so I could better explain it.

In any event, if Kerry trots out the stat, I trust W will respond with the real number.

118 posted on 10/13/2004 12:50:54 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

For what it's worth, about the only positive I can find in the state of the election is that it reminds me more of 1994 than of 2000. In 1994 the press practically giggled at the Contract for America. They downright guffawed at the thought of Newt as speaker. And, in the end, media bias more than anything else drove coservatives to the polls in droves.

Maybe it's time to dust off those old "Piss off the Media...Vote Bush" bumper stickers.


119 posted on 10/13/2004 12:53:40 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: Timeout
Well, as if there wasn't enough to fret about, I'm seriously worried about all the people who've registered multiple times. The dems are trying to steal this election. I don't think I can go through a month or more of fighting after Nov 2nd, either. And I'm not kidding.
120 posted on 10/13/2004 1:06:37 PM PDT by Endeavor
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