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A Question About Arizona
04/07/04
| Rollee
Posted on 04/07/2004 10:24:59 AM PDT by Rollee
I am from Illinois and have a question regarding property in Arizona. Could anybody give me an estimate of the value of a golf course lot in Concho Valley, near St. John, Apache County, Arizona? Is this a popular community? I would appreciate any and all comments.
Thank you very much in advance for your assistance.
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I am having a hard time getting information on this without contacting a real estate agent directly. I figure that FReepers would have the best information, as always.
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posted on
04/07/2004 10:24:59 AM PDT
by
Rollee
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posted on
04/07/2004 10:27:38 AM PDT
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To: Rollee
Why are you hesitant to contact a broker?
To: Rollee
I don't know real estate prices in St. Johns, but it's a quiet, largely Mormon community far from large cities. If this is your kind of place, contact some local realtors.
To: Rollee
Inspiring 2 bedroom/2 bath home at the
headwaters of Concho Creek. The
Arizona room overlooks #3 tee with a
view of the country club. Entertain your
guests at this 18-hole golf course
retreat.
$93,000
To: Rollee
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posted on
04/07/2004 10:39:15 AM PDT
by
hc87
To: Rollee
To: Rollee
No. No. No. Don't even consider it. You have to be a "special" type of person to live full time in St Johns. The Republic had a great quote a few years back from someone who lived there: "The kind of people who live in St Johns are the kind of people who can't live anywhere else."
These small towns are isolated and have developed their own culture and personality over the years. It is not kind to outsiders. You will hate it in six months.
I get along fine there because I know what to expect but it will be a shock to someone from Illinois. Imagine being locked in a town where the people have an average of a sixth grade education. Civilization is hundreds of miles away. There are better alternatives.
Look at Green Valley, Lake Montezuma, Cornville, or Arizona City. They are all good values and civilization is within driving distance.
To: socal_parrot
I grew up in St. Johns. Great town. Concho is very tiny, but if you want to get away from it all, that will do it. I have golfed that course more times than I can count, and the tree on that 3rd hole likes to eat your tee shot.
I would say that Concho is too small to go there with kids. Someone else on this thread made an education comment is way off base. St. Johns kids win academic decathlon competitions every year. Although the area was settled by Mormon pioneers, it also has a sizeable Catholic population and a smaller mix of other religions.
To: Juan Valdez
I don't mean to be insulting but I will stand by my education assessment. AIMS is Arizona's standardized test. It measures what an average high school graduate should know. If you could correlate academic achievement with height and set 6 foot as a complete high school education then St Johns graduates, overall, would be 3' 3" tall.
Almost all Arizona education is poor. The school my kids graduated from scores 83% or, correlating, 5 ft. tall. St Johns scores well only when compared with other small Arizona schools, including reservation schools and those with high immigrant enrollment. They do beat the heck out of Show Low High (but not Blue Ridge).
The trouble with small town education is that the brightest students leave (as apparently you did). The rest build up, year after year, until the culture is set. These little towns become cultural black holes. That is how I would describe St Johns.
Small towns develop their own dynamics. If you are raised there and are familiar with it, it is not as noticable. If you come in from outside it is culture shock.
To: Rollee
If I could get my wife and kids to move to Concho Valley, that's where I would be living. Great real estate value. Great golf course and nearby lake. It is very remote though.
I live on the course in Snowflake, about 40 miles from Concho Valley. Real estate is still pretty reasonable here, although it's gone up considerably the past 4-5 years.
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posted on
04/07/2004 8:52:32 PM PDT
by
shundiin
To: MARTIAL MONK
If you are raised there and are familiar with it, it is not as noticable. If you come in from outside it is culture shock. Maybe they just get a little irritated with weird new people tellin' them they are three feet tall in intellect.
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04/07/2004 8:59:09 PM PDT
by
HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Intellect has three syllables. "Stupid" is all they can handle.
To: MARTIAL MONK
Almost all Arizona education is poor. The school my kids graduated from scores 83% or, correlating, 5 ft. tall. St Johns scores well only when compared with other small Arizona schools, including reservation schools and those with high immigrant enrollment. They do beat the heck out of Show Low High (but not Blue Ridge). Like everywhere else, low-income areas tend to have poor public schools. But in Arizona, there's an alternative: one of the nation's strongest programs of charter schooling (public contracts issued to private educators) and tax credit programs for private school scholarships and public school enrichment. These two programs have provided an avalanche of private education funds that you just can't get anywhere else.
To: BlazingArizona
There are some exceptional charter schools but the majority are pulling the lower tier students. They are getting the kids who otherwise would be riding in the short bus. A lot of the are outright frauds. By and large students are better off in public schools.
Arizona funding for public education is 49th. Scholastically the schools are 44th. You have to go to the backwaters of the Mississippi delta to find worse schools. Even Arkansas beats us. If someone can find a way to make scholars out of idiots using the charter system they stand to make a fortune but so far it is not happening.
In defense of St Johns I will say that Mormon run districts are generally very good. That may be saving them from even worse results. The north end of Apache county pulls the averages of everything down. Per capita income in Apache is 1/2 of the state average which, in turn is 85% of the national average. Relative income is dropping at about 1% per year and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. 50% of the workforce works for the government. This is the welfare state.
To: HairOfTheDog
weird new peopleI was stomping around in the junipers before 70% of the current population ever heard of Apache County.
To: BlazingArizona
Like most towns, if you look for the idiots, you will certainly find them. Nonetheless, if you look up from the chickens, you will see a lot of talent in that small town. Those that want a great education there can get it. I was able to get two engineering degrees and a law degree based on my “poor education” in St. Johns. If our schools are so poor, why do our Academic Decathlon teams not only take first in the region ever year since the program was started in our town (more than fifteen years ago), but we seldom place out of the top ten schools in the state of Arizona (all sizes of schools included).
Sure, we have hicks in that town, but the education there is what you make of it.
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