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To: KneelBeforeZod; labowski; LibertyGrrrl; marktuoni; itsamelman; Sam's Army; RepoGirl; Redcoat LI; ...

I have decided to refute this tripe with a photo presentation, of sorts, to help articulate my points. Enjoy!

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... For Courtney Love: If Nirvana never got famous, then she wouldn't have married Kurt Cobain, he wouldn't have helped her write all the songs on Hole's breakthrough album, "Live Through This," and no one would have cared that she was such a desperate attention freak with a bad dye job and implants. But instead of fading into obscurity along with L7 and Bikini Kill, now we're forced to read about her antics every week in "Teen People."

After seeing a rerun of Howard Stern's E! show last week while channel surfing, I can't disagree. This broad, and I use that term loosely here, is seriously out of her mind. The world would be better off without her. The only thing she ever got right was "Courtney Love Does The Math", her slam on record labels, their treatment of artists and fans, and the mp3 trading world.

... For Dave Grohl: He's the most boring rock star on the planet. Sure, he plays in every band from the Queens of the Stone Age to Probot, but imagine how wonderful the world would be without the dreary generic toss of the Foo Fighters.

Alright, with this I have to take offense. A skilled musician, looking back it was probably Grohl who enabled Nirvana to get as huge as they did. No doubt he had a large creative influence over the songwriting (for better or worse). In regards to playing with the Queens Of The Stone Age, I really only have one thing to say:

The Queens of the Stone Age kicks ass. With or without Dave Grohl. Period. (See QOTSA live at Reading Festival 2001).

It's almost like that guy from the Lemonheads getting totally famous and making millions upon millions of dollars for sounding just like Blind Melon. It's just plain unfair. Plus he looks like Cojo.

Indeed, Evan Dondo was kind of lame. I say this as I have a copy of "Come On Feel The Lemonheads" sitting on my desk. What can I say? "Rick James Style" kicks ass.

... For Mudhoney: Has there ever been a worse band in the history of humankind than Mudhoney? Yes, Sonic Youth. Either way, no one would have heard about either of them or bought their records -- only to sell them back for a fraction of the price at Amoeba -- if it weren't for Nirvana. Expecting a continuation of "Nevermind," people flocked to these grunge hangers-on, cluttering their CD collections with a bunch of under-produced, tuneless junk. Thanks a lot, Screaming Trees.

Oh boy, where to begin? Firstly, Mudhoney were pioneers. "My Brother The Cow" is still one of my favorites. Sonic Youth is also excellent, they were East Coast pioneers. Screaming Trees, another great band. Mark Lanagan enjoyed a 2 year stint in Queens of The Stone Age as well. (Am I sensing a theme here?) The author of this piece obviously hates everything that is cool. I'm surprised he didn't just come right out and start making fun of Husker Du and Bob Mould while they were at it! He already took pot-shots at the Pixies and the Replacements!

Not too much flannel there...

... For guitars: Before Nirvana arrived, everyone knew music after the year 2000 would totally be technological and rad -- just robots playing crazy drum 'n' bass with androids singing over it. People were totally sick of hearing lousy guitar rock by Eric Clapton and Tom Petty. But then Nirvana made guitars popular again, opening the gates for bands like the White Stripes and Nickelback to exist now. If it weren't for Bjork, we might as well all still be cavemen right now.

Rad? RAD? If some whiny rock critic ever described my band as "rad" I'd probably mail him a hate letter. Well, I'll give him Bjork. And also, both Nickleback and the White Stripes are jokes, sick twisted jokes played out on us by evil, evil people. But, if it's both guitars and robots the author craves, maybe we'll call in an old standby:


36 posted on 04/06/2004 7:46:45 AM PDT by bc2 ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" - harpseal)
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To: bc2
Mondo Generator/Desert Sessions bump for your QOTSA reference.
38 posted on 04/06/2004 8:24:32 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: bc2
I'm with you on just about every point (although not a huge White Stripes fan I shiver to see them in the same sentence with Nickelback - eesh).

BTW: I hear Nick Oliveri is out of QOTSA(?).

42 posted on 04/06/2004 9:24:16 AM PDT by itsamelman ("Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement." -- R. Reagan)
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To: bc2
Actually, the first Hole album Pretty On The Inside is some grade-A sonic squall. Courtney went rapidly downhill after that.

IMHO, if there was true justice in the universe, the big bands from Seattle besides Nirvana would not have been Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains, but Mudhoney and the mighty, mighty Tad!
45 posted on 04/06/2004 9:43:48 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: bc2
Memory Lane:

One Night. 3 Bands. I went to a concert at a place called 'The Cathouse' in LA, CA back in the day...Rikki Rachtman still has his hands in the Cathouse franchise at the time.....the word on the street was these bands were from Seattle...supposedly the new hotbed of talent in the music world.....and this was their first appearance in LA. Hairspray bands and spadex were still running rampant on the LA strip.....Lita Ford and her boyfriend from W.A.S.P, Chris, were drunk at the bar and cursing at each other, as usual. So, I was hoping for something...anything different. Two buddies of mine in A&R had stopped signing hair bands several months before and were looking for something original. Well, we got it! Through the stench of unwashed bodies and patchouli...obviously imported from the Seattle area along with some foreign substances usually grown in poppy fields.....post hippie depression complaint rock was born. I witnessed what I knew was a serious change in the music industry. Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone...on the same stage....took our breath away (literally).

My best friend and I still mention it from time to time. What we usually refer to in that experience is the complete polarity of the situation...how everyone in the club that night was transfixed, mesmerized and bedazzled. We could tell Curt and the lead singer from MLB were heroine users and Eddie....well he was high on something.... ;) We had made a prediction that morning at about 4am in Canter's Deli that 2 out of the 3 would be dead from an overdose or worse within 5 years. Unfortunately, we were right....... and that's how legends begin....

47 posted on 04/06/2004 12:29:11 PM PDT by BossLady (What do your choices cost you?)
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To: bc2
Ok, you said it for me: Sonic Youth is also excellent. IMO, the most interesting band since the Velvet Underground.
55 posted on 04/06/2004 5:46:36 PM PDT by moni kerr (Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way)
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