Kennewick man renains not protected

KING5

[yhwhsman]

Antarctica relics

No surprise about Antartica relics.

Here's the text that goes with the picture: The Buache Map, drawn in 1737, copied from ancient greek maps. It shows the Anctartica without ice. The surprising fact is that if today the ice didn't cover the Anctartica, the Ross and Weddell seas would be united in a huge strait, which would divide the Anctartica in two land masses, a fact that in modern times was established only in the Geophysical year of 1968.

Lots more cool stuff HERE.

[yhwhsman]

Oops, sorry, forgot to put your names on my post #41. Thought you might find it interesting.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Thank you for that come back. We know who that special someone was of course.

The Clinton Administration would sacrifice the very freedom of this country on the altar of self interest and political correctness.

regards,

[djf]

Well, as I've stated in the past, something in modern ideas of the history of the ice ages, etc. is wrong. Some fellow compiled a list of all the flood legends in all the cultures he could find and came up with something like 200 stories.

And the gold diggers in Alaska, etc were astonished to find massive amounts of crushed bones, of all species, mixed in tremendous piles of debris and mud, tree parts, and plant remains, like it had all been put through a blender, and flash frozen.

Whatever happened, it wasn't a nice gentle warming where the ice slowly melted and receded. It was fantastic in scope, and the sea levels rose 300 feet in a very short time. The few remaining mammoths were frozen, the rhinocerous and sabre tooth tiger went extinct, I don't doubt man was almost erased, this event might well have been what finally doomed the neanderthals. And it was about 10,500 years ago.

[Varda]

The craniometric studies indicated that the skull did not belong in any extant catagory but was more similar to Ainu/polynesian and southeast Asian populations. That doesn't translate to Caucasoid but perhaps he comes from a population that is ancestral to it and the southeast Asians.

There is some debate about when the current races evolved. I've seen it estimated that the three major races are all post pleistocene adaptations. The oldest find with modern mongoloid morphology is only from 7000 BP (Baoji, China).

The fact that ancient and modern New World inhabitants have Lineage X (European mtDNA marker) was an exciting discovery. That doesn't mean that they're Caucasoids either but it does show that peoples flung worldwide are more related than we used to think.

I'm not accussing anyone of having a "gotcha" attitude since I had exactly the same reaction at first. What I didn't know at the time was that humanity had generic rather undiferentiated features at lot more recently then I thought. "What this means is that the earliest Americans arrived before Homo sapiens had diverged into local groups we erroneously call races. They are representatives of the human prototype from which we all sprang as little as 50,000-60,000 years ago." (James Chatters)

[shamusotoole]

Your post is well said and and you have been paying close attention. I do not disagree with any of it, because frankly, the puzzle has more complexity than I ever imagined. I'm certain more surprises will follow as rational inquiry continues. This court decision is a step in that direction.

[blam]

Published April 6 - 12, 2000

The Stick Man cometh

Kennewick Man's flack is poised to unveil his latest "discovery."

BY ROGER DOWNEY

THE BONES AND STONES trade is abuzz with rumors about this weekend's Northwest Anthropological Conference in Spokane. Star attraction on the three-day bill is none other than Dr. James C. Chatters, whose deft manipulation of the media back in the summer of 1996 made international tabloid stars of himself and of "Kennewick Man," the 9,000-year-old skeleton that fell into Chatters' capable hands during a boat race on the Columbia River.

Chatters has hinted to insiders that in his hour and a half session this Saturday morning he'll be offering a worthy successor to K-Man--maybe even a close cousin. Named by Chatters after a mischievous Sasquatch-like spirit in Plateau Indian mythology, "Stick Man," who appears to consist mainly of a skull and a lot of speculation, doesn't match the earlier find for glamour. However, Chatters has gotten some well-known names to sign onto the presentation with him: the University of Tennessee's Richard Jantz, a specialist in divining racial affiliations from the shapes of ancient bones, and freelance radiocarbon dater Thomas Stafford.

An early radiocarbon date is particularly important in Stick Man's case because his skull wasn't found "in the field" by trained scientific investigators but in an artifact collector's private museum. But the skull's lack of "provenience" (archaeojargon for exact location in datable strata) is more than made up for by the fact that it was originally found on private land, and hence is exempt from all the legal impediments to thorough testing that have made study of Kennewick Man (found on federal land) so hard to bring about.

Chatters has known about the Stick Man skull for more than three years, hinting to those promising secrecy of a wonderful discovery from somewhere "up north" that would confirm the age and (hotly disputed scientifically) "caucasoid" conformations of K-Man's skull and frame. Going public with it now may have less to do with the time it took to nail down its age than with the way that the federal government, after more than a year of ludicrous bumbling, has taken charge of the K-Man inquest (and its attendant publicity value).

Whatever Chatters may have got hold of, he can be reasonably certain of an agreeable amount of controversy. Also appearing at the Spokane meeting is a group representing the Lummi nation, which will be presenting a full-afternoon session devoted to last year's still-unexplained kidnapping by a licensed archaeologist of more than 40 Native American skeletons from a construction site near Blaine, Washington. The next day features a morning session hosted by the Cultural Resources office of the Umatilla Reservation devoted to ways Indians and others can work together to make sure incidents like Blaine don't happen again. Neither group is likely to be silent regarding Chatters' latest "discovery"--private property or not--or his appropriation of a figure from Northwest Indian mythology to lend it a little spurious romance. But from the scientific presenters' point of view, the more fuss the better. If the publicity flames lit by Kennewick Man are dying down, perhaps Stick Man can reignite them.

[blam]

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida) (Windover)

[yhwhsman]

Well, as I've stated in the past, something in modern ideas of the history of the ice ages, etc. is wrong. Some fellow compiled a list of all the flood legends in all the cultures he could find and came up with something like 200 stories.

200? Wow, I didn't realize there were that many. I have a pet theory that the story of Atlantis is another such flood legend.

I've heard that a lot of fossil finds show the same kind of 'blender' effect. In the last few days there was a thread about fossilized remains only 5,000 years old, pointing to the fact that such 'pureed' fossil beds don't have to be millions of years old.

[SunkenCiv]

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