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Good point. The Dept of Labor says that there are 210,000 people employed in stoop labor (picking vegetables ect.) nation wide. I assume not all are illegals. That means that the rest of the 8 to 12 million illegals are engaged in other jobs that Americans compete with them to get. That has the effect of driving down wages and keeping them low. It is as simple as supply and demand. Perhaps you would have been able to pay more for the landscape work if you were earning more money. By that I mean that the effect of 12 million illegals drives down the wages of all of us in an economy that is as interconnected as ours is.

Come on, have you been in the local Shop Rite or Pathmark. Most of the people working there wouldn't even give you the time of day and if you told them they gave you the wrong change, they'd flip you the bird and tell you to F***k Off.

Problem is they could care less if they get fired because they'll make almost the same on unemployment. We have become an "I deserve it because, look at me..... it's me!" society.

The majority of the jobs that you say Americans compete with the 8-12 million illegals are jobs that, trust me Americans really aren't trying all that hard to fill.

If you haven't noticed, we have become quite a spoiled society. That's is our problem, not there's.