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Now, as to whether the particular freaks like "Daleel" and "EOM" are for real, that's been hotly debated and will continue to be so.

That's where my skepticism comes in. No doubt these are very scary times that we are living in, and we here at FR in general and on the this thread in particular, seem to be a quite a bit ahead of the curve compared to the the average puke who relies upon Danpetetom for news. But I need to see more than I've seen before I believe that EOM and Daleel are anything other than computer nerds playing mind games with the gullible.

EOM and Daleel and their friends are probably not 'real terrorists' but they do seem to know that something big is up.

They are probably not in the chain of command nor real operatives, but rather Islamist 'good ol boys' who hear the whispered plans of al Qaeda from clerics and couriers.

They probably don't have exact, specific information. However I guarantee you they know more about what is coming than we do, and I for one think it's no joke and no empty threat. There are probably millions of wannabe jihadis who know what EOM and Daleel know. And they are all waiting expectantly for the big hit, which is PROMISED, not hinted at, by Osama and Ayman, very soon.

Man I hope they muck it up and we stop their plans!

Daleel and EOM, may or may not be the real terrorists that we are looking for.

Another way that they communicate is by using small or abandoned groups at Yahoo Groups.

Last spring, in a doll group that is only used once or twice a year to send a notice of new designs by the owner, all of a sudden a 'Muslim' pep talk email came through, then a couple more.

Then came the one with the real message, almost in plain language.

I phoned the FBI in Phoenix, got an agent with a bad hangover on a Sunday morning (early), had a hell of a time explaining to him that I had a terrorist message from a Doll collectors group.

Finally, I outshout him and read part of it to him, all of a sudden he was very interested in the message and I forwarded it to him.

The doll group was not involved.

It works like this: go to groups.yahoo.com, open the crafts groups link on the home page (or maybe any set of groups).

The messages will be in the groups that have public archives. When the messages are in the public archives, the person waiting for the message will only need to go and read it, and in this way there is no way to trace the readers.

The thought has crossed my mind that the porn emails are to test the group, if there is no response to the porn the terrorist messages are safe. Many of the porn messages do not go to a real site. Yes, in the beginning I thought they meant a new craft picture, and still hear the group members complaining that they had gone to a bad link, or were bombarded with pop ups.

The herb groups were constantly being sent "You will love being a Muslim" messages. I have dropped those and don't know that I could ever find them again.

So this is my opinion, the messages are not going to be where you think they are.

I was amazed at how many groups are listed under the different terrorist/Muslim section, they also show up on the craft, doll, sewing lists. In english and arabic (I think, as I don't read any languages.)

Ruth