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"Over it is nineteen." " We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned THEIR NUMBER (i.e.19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers. (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4)to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say," What did God mean by this allegory ?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills, None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. THIS IS A REMINDER FOR THE PEOPLE." 74:30-31 http://www.submission.org/why-19.html

I need to duct tape my head on this one to keep my brain from exploding. Do all Muslims believe this; when were these ideas constructed? Do you have a book title or any other reference to help me out on this? Does any of this have connection with Kwanza? The 5%'ers? nwctwx, thank you for guiding me here. I cannot get into the head of what these believers of 19 are all about. How did all this sneak up on us? I know US prisons have been infiltrated with NOI but I guess I have to ask again...do all Muslims subscribe to these ideas? What happened to "Religion of Peace?" Thanks for your help!

The short answer, I would assume, is no. I realize I posted a "translation" of the actual verse.

surah 74, verse 30: "We have appointed as wardens of the Fire none but angels; and We have made this number for no other reason than to confound the disbelievers; so that those to whom the Scripture has been given may have certainty and the believers may increase in faith; and so that those to whom the Scripture has been given and those who believe may be rid of doubt; and so that those in whose hearts there is a disease and those who disbelieve may say"

The "miracle" of 19, is a recent find - 1974. Since the discovery, and particularly in the case of someone like UBL this verse has been used as a prophetic call to war. I honestly do not know everything behind the number 19, I have been trying to figure it out since late 2001 and it still stumps me a bit. ;-)