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1 posted on 09/06/2002 7:25:44 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
You're still putting MD down for minus 2, huh? From what I've seen lately, Morella is looking good against all four of her prospective opponents (though obviously still vulnerable), and Helen what'shername is competitive as well. I've got fingers crossed the GOP gets one of these seats.
2 posted on 09/06/2002 8:00:51 PM PDT by Coop
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To: Torie
Wait a sec. Am I reading that right? You've got Morella listed as a vulnerable Dem?
3 posted on 09/06/2002 8:02:04 PM PDT by Coop
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To: Torie
The predicted GOP gain has dropped from 4 to 1 since I last posted this about 2 months ago.

Not a good trend. In another month it'll be a loss of 2 or 3, and by election day, who knows? Hopefully the GOP candidates have more money to spend in the key races, but I doubt it.

4 posted on 09/06/2002 8:04:31 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: KQQL; crasher
Not much here really that is new and exciting, but whatever.
11 posted on 09/06/2002 8:35:38 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Thanks for putting this together. Let me know when you update it.
16 posted on 09/06/2002 9:12:18 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Torie
Thanks for the update. I agree with the vast majority of it.

One slight disagreement is, I would flip your odds for AZ (new) and NM (open). I think the GOP has the edge in NM, and the Dems have the edge in AZ.

20 posted on 09/06/2002 9:23:37 PM PDT by crasher
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To: Torie
You give the GOP the edge in 229. I give them the edge in 226. Here's where we disagree. I give the GOP the edge in NM. I don't give them the edge in AZ, MN (Luther), NH (Sununu), and FL (Thurman).

I'm also a lot more worried about IN (Roemer). The Dems put out a poll showing us down 9. Our poll showing us up by 17 is very old, and we have not released a new one to my knowledge. I am very close to giving the Dems the edge here.

26 posted on 09/06/2002 9:47:16 PM PDT by crasher
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To: Torie
The Democratic primary in the MD-2nd is next Tues and Ruppersberger (the fav) is running scared against Bengur (an unknown) and throwing out a lot of mailings recently. My guess is his internal polling is showing it close. If he goes down or the race is real close, I would say Bentley may have a real shot.
33 posted on 09/06/2002 10:03:22 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Torie
A poll was released this week showing Latham with a 20 point lead over his socialist RAT challenger, Norris in Iowa.
43 posted on 09/07/2002 5:59:04 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Torie
There are 2 factors in polling. The voting ratios in the bellweather precincts and the turn out factors. Pollsters have to get both right to be accurate. The turn out factors tend to contain the most errors.

The Democratic turn out in 2000 was up a lot from 88,92, and 96. Gore got more votes than any Democrat in history. He got more than any candidate Repubican or Democrat except for Ronald Reagan in 1984. The total turn out was way up from previous years. Both parties did a good job of getting out the vote.

Those turn out numbers had only a slight effect on house races. But if the turnout is a lot lower for Democrats in 2002, then the polls could be wrong again. It is likley that most pollsters will use the 2000 turnout figures modified by an off year factor. Likely they are using the 2000 turn out modified by an average off year factor.

I think it could be that polls may be as wrong in 2002 as they were in 2000 but in the other direction. I have nothing but gut feelings to back that up.

I have been looking at Columubus Ohio. In 2000 Gore carried Columbus by a small margin. It is the first time a Democrat Presidential candidate has carried Columbus, OH in ages. There was a massive union and black get out the vote effort in Ohio in 2000. The polls said 7 point Bush in Ohio. It turned out 3 points for Bush. It will be very interesting to see if that huge Democratic effort is made in 2002. I really don't think it will be quite that intense.

I do know that lower level blue color workers are scared to death about the economy. My cousin, a very active Democratic Party and Union executive, did a study of building permits in Southern Ohio. The number of permits is good but the numbers are way down in blue color neighborhoods. Make that Democratic precincts.

The bulk of the Democrats (they are lower demographic people) are not spending. His analysis is that the core Democratic voter is scared to death about the economy. He thinks Democrats should use the economy to get out the Democratic base. I think he is right. They may not need much urging.

Look at Walmart they are moving a bit upscale with fashions. They are taking a bite out of the limited, to cover the loss of the "po folks". If cousin is right, then "po Folk"s spending is down. "Po Folks" voting may be up.

More important in the long term is what will happen to high tech by 2004. No one has noticed that computers have matured. I think they have. There is a chain of computer super stores called "MicroCenter". They have a number of super stores in major markets. They are selling USED computers. Say What??? A 1998 windows 98 machine will do Office and surf the web very nearly as well as the newest stuff. Computers are like cars. When they ran 3 miles an hour those that could, upgraded to the 6 mile an hour model. That continued until they would all run 90. Then the makers went to the 3 years and rust out principle. But when the Japs made a car that did not rust, the car market matured. The same thing happened with TV. From 10 inch sets to 24 inch and from B&W to color was the progression. But once we had solid state Color chasis, and long life picture tubes, a new set purchase every 2 or 3 years stopped. RCA, Zenith, Sylvania, and Motorola all went by the TV way side. TV's became a commodity.

The same thing is happening to computers. Marturity shows first in product advertising. When the selling pitch is on style, (Our new TV's are fine furmiture and we have beatiful models for any decor) rather than function ( See our giant 21" screen in brilliant color) it tells the observer that maturity has arrived. Look at what Apple and Gateway are doing. Look at Windows XP features (now with beautiful rounded Blue Bordered Windows ) and you will see the maturity setting in in both software and hardware. Boom areas tend to have trouble with the transition to a mature playing field... they tend to die or change fields.

If I am right, the west coast and lots of other areas may be in for some tough times. That means Republicans have to learn how to attract voters in less than greate times. Here is my suggestion about how to go after the Democratic blue color base.

The theme is aimed at the core low demographic Democrat voters. It goes something like this. I would use country, rock and rap radio for the campaign. Democrats don't read.

 
    The Democrats in congress are very conerned about   
    your job. They think you may lose it. So do 
    Republicans. To keep that from happening the Democrats 
    want to increase taxes on the corporations and the 
    people that own them. 

    In case you  haven't noticed those people are called 
    "THE RICH". The Democrats think that raising taxes on 
    your company and the people that own it will keep them 
    from laying you off or eliminating your job. If you 
    think that increasing the taxes on the people that 
    write your pay check will increase your job security,  
    you need to vote for the Democrat. If you think that is 
    a bad idea, you might think about voting for a 
    Republican. Republicans don't tax the rich all that 
    much. Democrats  say that is real bad for elected 
    officials pet programs.  Republicans think the rich 
    will likely pay the new taxes out of what used to be 
    your paycheck. 
  
    Today's Democrats think that when the Rich have a 
    choice of cutting your life style or theirs, the rich 
    will cut theirs. Is that what you think? Democratic 
    politicans are always telling you what they will do for 
    you. They rarely mention what their plans will do TO 
    you.  Repubicans think you should at least consider it. 

    Think about it when you go to the polls. You might want 
    to do what you think will protect your job.

44 posted on 09/07/2002 7:35:41 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Torie
Mich(Open)(11th)1 0.700
Mich(Open)(10h) 1 0.700

I haven't heard much about any of the Michigan races lately. Marlinga has been making some noise, but I doubt he has a chance. He's EXTREMELY overrated, and he is running against the highest statewide votegetter in GOP history - Candice Miller. Lots of yapping about the dems going to take this one, but they are wasting money here.

As for the 11th, I haven't heard much, but I still think Kelley will give McCotter a run. That's going to be a real interesting district. I hope McCotter doesn't sit on his hands. I doubt he will from the impression I had when I met him. He's taking this race seriously.

In the 9th, David Fink has been running some commercials. If nothing else, he's spending the money. I don't think he'll do it, but the dems are going to try and take out Knollenberg.

51 posted on 09/07/2002 5:21:38 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Torie
rothenberg stated that the democrats nominated in both critical georgia seats the candiadtes the republicans wanted the to nominate . I believe both races are true toss-ups now.
54 posted on 09/09/2002 5:22:43 AM PDT by Hellwege
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To: Torie
Really screwed up on this one...was it worth the effort?
57 posted on 01/04/2003 3:36:24 AM PST by Norwell
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