What is Pedophilia? Lot of people on FR are misinformed)

INHOPE ^ | 10/17/2024 | INHOPE

[Az Joe]

The age of consent in 30 states is 16. It's 17 in several others. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children, children who have not reached any stage of puberty.

[Reeses]

What has changed is the number of cougars after young guys.

In some Asian countries, that has always been a thing, with host clubs hiring young men to entertain older women. In Western countries, a woman seen in public with a younger man takes a major social hit in women's never-ending princess pageant game. The problem is: from age 18 to 35, most men are considered low-value by most women of that age. Young men would benefit greatly by having older women teach them the ropes until they reach their peak dating market value at around age 35, at which point they select a 26 year woman at her peak value, and start a family. Western women really need to get over their princess fantasy. It's out of control.

[Williams]

I just remembered another old song was “Go Away Little Girl” with the line “go away little girl, before I beg you to stay”. It was a hit and by famous singers. Bobby Vee, then Steve Lawrence, then Donny Osmond, I think also by the Happenings.

[ansel12]

So those millions of marriages are to pedophiles, and statutory rape is pedophilia.

You have one word that covers it all, is there any word for those who want sex with little kids?

[Williams]

Which millions of marriages?

[ansel12]

All the millions of under age 18 wives over the years.

[Dr. Franklin]

You aren’t being accurate but you keep claiming that it was all just the unknown, everyone was just anonymous, where are you getting that idea?

Hmmm...Maryland didn't have a blood test for a marriage license. Many people from neighboring states would go to Maryland and elope to get married. They weren't from Maryland, so no one there knew anything about them when they got their marriage licenses. They could put anything on the license they wanted within reason because they knew it wouldn't get checked. Things like age/DOB, parents' names, given names from the birth records, didn't need to match official records because they weren't checked. They had no photo ID, and nothing was accessible from a computer. Big Brother didn't have a centralized file on them.

I've done a fair amount of genealogy. Once branch of the family changed their surname to sound French after the father died. No court order was required. His name wasn't right on any of his girls' marriage licenses. At least one of those girls lied about her age on that license to get married without parental consent. That was common. They weren't at all anonymous, but they were who they said they were. The government wasn't any where near as invasive as it is today. Times changed. You can't judge the past by how life is at present. Things were different then.

[ansel12]

I’m not judging it by today but from my researching the history of marriage and records, and you aren’t very convincing that for some reason everything we know about the average age at marriage is fake, that in reality it is all false and unknowable.

[Dr. Franklin]

Getting married at 14-17 was very common in the USA until the 20th century.

In Europe, that would have been common for girls only in the 19th Century. Males in many countries had compulsory military service at age 21 for a year or two. Marriage wasn't an option until they completed that. Then, they would return to their villages and marry a teen girl there to whom they were betrothed. So, a 23-25 year old male marrying a 15-17 year old girl was quite common in Euorpe in the 19th Century. No one called that pedophilia because it wasn't. Marrying the girls off early meant no dating and illegitimate children. The girls go married before they could get into trouble and embarass the family. It worked.

[Dr. Franklin]

I’m not judging it by today but from my researching the history of marriage and records, and you aren’t very convincing that for some reason everything we know about the average age at marriage is fake, that in reality it is all false and unknowable.

Does your research include looking at original marriage license applications, and then checking the family details to ensure they are accurate, or are you relying on secondary sources like a census or compilations from the census data without checking the accuracy of the data? Women who wanted to get married without parental consent had a motive to lie about their age. They did it because there was little chance of getting caught. Many weren't 21 when they married.

[Williams]

You see, you started this discussion by saying many people here misuse the word. That wasn’t very specific. What people use the word how?

But now you’re saying that misuse of the word means someone would be calling all under 18 marriages pedophilia.

No one says any such thing. At this point it’s not clear what incorrect word usage you are complaining about.

If you have a specific example, let everyone know.

[ansel12]

Like I said, you are claiming the history of marriage age in America is fake, the history is false because lying about age was so rampant and all those Catholic records, church records, courthouse records, census records, small town people and rural people unknown to each other and records so useless that the historians and researchers are just making it up.

Have people lied, of course, does it negate everything we think we know of the history of marriage age in America, well, you are arguing that.

You should write a book revealing the truth.

[ansel12]

For crying out loud, yes people have been misusing the word pedophilia with this Epstein thing, including on this thread, that is what the thread is about.

You have your word, enjoy it, now what do we call having sex with 6 year olds and 10 year olds?

[ansel12]

Evidently no one here had sex in a car until they were in their 20s.

[Dr. Franklin]

Like I said, you are claiming the history of marriage age in America is fake, the history is false because lying about age was so rampant and all those Catholic records, church records, courthouse records, census records, small town people and rural people unknown to each other and records so useless that the historians and researchers are just making it up.

Historians didn't invent anything. Fact: Individuals under 21 who wanted to get married without parental consent would lie about their age. Immigrants who had no parent in this country to consent to a marriage had even more reason to do that. So if the compiled data shows the average age at first marriage was 21, that is to be expected, but the actual average age had to be lower. A woman who lied on her marriage license that she was two years older than she actually was didn't likely confess to the census enumerator that she wasn't 21 when she got married. That could cause problems, specially if she moved to a small community. The data isn't all fake, but is biased. As we have gotten more data that can now be cross referenced, AI might better determine what the age at first marriage actually was for a certain decade.

[ansel12]

LOL, write your book, expose all this historical fake data.

[wardaddy]

I hope you’re having fun igniting the self righteous meat and taters bunch with your quest for reason and logic and classic definition

It never disappoints here

By the logic of some of these Einsteins most of their granddads were pedophiles

[BereanBrain]

Don’t normalize pedo please.

Go to bluesky if you want to do that. Not here.

[greenishness]

“I remember arguing with my psychology professor in college.”

Sounds like a logical argument by you. You were a pretty smart kid.

[greenishness]

“Don’t normalize pedo please.”

“Go to bluesky if you want to do that. Not here.”

Nobody is normalizing anything. Definitions and use of words are important.

Misuse of words and false accusations are assault.

[21twelve]

“Like so many words today...”

Just like using the term gender for sex, gay for homosexual, etc.

I wonder if grouping 16-year olds in the same group with little children is to get the door cracked open a bit for the real pedophiles? “So you are saying that an 18-year old should be in prison for 10 years for going to bed with his 15 year old girl friend?”