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DC Corruption on Scale – The “Too Big to Jail” Aspect
The Conservative Treehouse - The Last Refuge ^ | September 30, 2025 | Sundance

Posted on 09/30/2025 10:57:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

A frequent reaction when understanding the revelations of the Obama Surveillance System is:

WOW! If only 1/2 of this is true, why haven’t heads rolled?

This is a very common response.

The problem that few understand and even fewer accept, is that this is not a partisan issue. Every element within the DC system is a stakeholder in maintaining the status of corruption; that includes every republican and every democrat, every leftist, moderate, liberal, libertarian and every conservative.

The entire DC system including the RNC and DNC are aligned to retain and expand the surveillance state, including popular and well-known names like Devin Nunes, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, Susie Wiles, Ed Martin, Bill Barr, Mike Johnson, Marco Rubio, John Ratcliffe and Jim Jordan.  These names are just a few of the people who believe in the created “continuity of government” national security system. A system that justifies and underpins the capture of all electronic metadata.

♦ To address the “if only 1/2 of this is true” aspect.  Let me remind you of the very specific evidence that supports what is demonstrably visible in the Obama spying operation.

Deep inside the report released by John Durham {CITATION}, the special counsel outlined how former FBI Director James Comey was intimately involved in the creation of the Carter Page FISA application.

Durham noted that Comey kept asking the DOJ National Security Division and FBI counterintelligence investigators, “Where’s the FISA, we need the FISA.” However, John Durham never interviewed James Comey or Andrew McCabe.

The former FBI Director and Deputy refused to cooperate or give testimony to John Durham. So, how did John Durham have details about the demands of Comey?

The answer is found in the footnotes.

Special Counsel John Durham reviewed transcripts of interviews given by Andrew McCabe to the Office of the Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, who previously investigated FBI conduct in the origin of the Carter Page FISA.

Durham pulled quotes from that transcript. [Footnote #1207, page 199 – Durham Report]

[SOURCE]

QUESTIONS: If Andrew McCabe gave testimony to the OIG about the motives and impetus of FBI Director James Comey in pushing for the Carter Page FISA application, why did the OIG report never outline those transcribed interviews? Why was the interview transcript never included in the 2019 OIG report?

[ NOTE: An August 15, 2019, transcribed interview of Andrew McCabe exists in the OIG office.  That means, DNI Tulsi Gabbard through Attorney General Pam Bondi can request the McCabe transcription and release it to the public.]

However, let me answer the question about why it was never released without the customary pretending from the DC professional political class. The short version is that OIG Michael Horowitz was protecting the DOJ and FBI. The longer version is a coverup that includes Rod Rosenstein, Bill Barr and ultimately yes, John Durham.

“Where’s the FISA? We need the FISA?” ~ James Comey

The DOJ-NSD, FBI and FBI Counterintelligence Division needed to find a safe and legal justification for previous spying on the Trump campaign.

The Clinton operation and 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former CIA operative Carter Page became the fraudulent justification for that intent.

Because “FISA Title I” surveillance authority against a U.S. citizen is so serious (the U.S. government is essentially calling the target a spy), only a few people are authorized to even apply for such surveillance warrants. One of the four people authorized to make such a Search Warrant request is the Asst. Deputy Attorney General as head of the National Security Division of the DOJ.

In September and October of 2016 a few critical things were happening:

1. NSA Director Mike Rogers was about to inform the FISC of the FBI spying operation using the NSA database.

2. CIA Director John Brennan was informing President Obama of the risk factors associated with the Clinton/FBI operation (that included #1).

3. The DOJ-NSD was quickly assembling the FISA Court application, sans Woods File, to be used against Carter Page. The Clinton/Steele Dossier was going to be used in lieu of the mandatory Woods File.

While Comey was saying, “where’s the FISA? We need the FISA?” Pressure was building on the office of the Asst. Deputy Attorney General in charge of the DOJ-NSD, that’s John Carlin.

Subsequently, in late September 2016, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin resigned as head of the DOJ-NSD. {CITATION}

Did Carlin resign (in fear) because he simply didn’t feel comfortable participating in the convoluted operation?  It seems likely.

♦ MORE EVIDENCE – THE DOCUMENT TRAIL.

A few years later, September 28, 2020, while COVID was raging and few people were paying attention, OIG Horowitz released a COVID delayed letter and summary report about the FBI spying operation [technically, exploiting the NSA database].

On its face the OIG release {SEE HERE} outlines a review and finding, actually a warning, by Horowitz’s office about FBI contractor access to “a certain national security database.”

The OIG report was titled: “Management Advisory: Notification of Concerns Identified in the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Contract Administration of a Certain Classified National Security Program.”

[SOURCE]

The advisory part is particularly interesting when absorbed through the prism of prior information.

On the surface of the release, the OIG was noting concerns and a warning shared with the FBI about ongoing contractor access to the NSA database. Thus, a “classified national security program” becomes defined.

However, in the background of the release it appears the OIG was using this public notification as a CYA of sorts.

Meaning the OIG was saying publicly they have advised the FBI of “concerns” they carried with the FBI abusing access to the NSA database.

Within the report you will note the IG calls out the FBI because the FBI hid their response to the IG warning behind the cloud of “classification” and national security matters.

This left the IG with no alternative except to say the classified response, technically a non-response, had to be accepted as the final FBI response to the IG warning.

The IG goes on to say to the FBI you have 90 days to tell me what you did to address the contractor access abuses.  [The 2020 election fell inside this 90-day window and effectively removed any pressure for the FBI to respond.]

In reality, the reason for the report was OIG Michael Horowitz covering his ass on the FBI spying operation and telling us why. Perhaps that’s why Horowitz was removed from his position recently and sent to the IRS office where Secretary Bessent could keep an eye on him.

Keep in mind this ongoing access to the bulk NSA metadata is a big deal. All of the FISA audits in the past eight+ years have pointed out how FBI contractors and government officials continue to abuse their access to the database and unlawfully extract information without minimization efforts required by fourth amendment protections.

The scale of the surveillance abuse is actually stunning.  In 2020, the OIG had reviewed the process and found the same issues that existed in 2015 and 2016, as identified by NSA Director Mike Rogers, remained uncorrected five years later.  Yes, the embeds within the FBI were still conducting spy operations even when President Trump was in office.  That’s the point within the September 28, 2020, letter.

♦ Now, you might note within my prior research outline I said, ” This is an issue Director Rogers would later address by moving custodial control of the NSA database to Cyber Command (a DoD agency).”  Indeed, Rogers did take that action in his effort to find some guardrail that would stop the exploitation, but it didn’t work.

[Keep in mind, trying to stop the exploitation of the NSA database when every element within Washington DC supports the availability to exploit that database, is a frustrating exercise in futility.  Stakeholder example: Think about congressional stock trading.  Think about DC insiders with access to the private electronic communication of corporations and corporate CEOs. See the value?]

How do we know moving the NSA Database to Cybercommand did not work?  Keep reading…

♦ MORE EVIDENCE – MORE DOCUMENTS:

First, context – The 2020 election is now over.  Biden was installed via mail-in ballots. Trump is told he lost.  Then, on January 6, 2021, a fedsurrection took place.  The FBI is now on the hunt for attendees to the J6 protest.  FBI operation “Arctic Frost” is in full swing. Now let’s look at this specific moment in time.

Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified in April 2022 that more than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020 and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government. {CITATION}

Approximately 30% of those 3.4 million search queries were outside the rules and regulations that govern warrantless searches, what the politically correct government calls “non-compliant searches.”  Approximately one million times the NSA Database was used, unlawfully, to conduct electronic surveillance.

Additionally, IG Horowitz also admitted that somewhere north of 10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database; a database which contains the electronic data of every single American, including emails, text messages, social media posts, instant messages, direct messages, phone calls, geolocation identifiers, purchases by electronic funds, banking records and any keystroke any American person puts into any electronic device for any reason.

If we were in a functioning system of government everything would have stopped, right then.

In a nation concerned about digital IDs, Central Bank Digital Currencies and the inherent constitutional privacy protections, no conversation would be taking place that was not about this issue.

What the OIG revealed in 2022 was a massive explosion in the exploitation of the NSA database that took place after the November 2020 election, after all these “reforms” were in place, and after NSA Director Mike Rogers moved the database into U.S. Cybercommand.

You think it stopped?  Hell, it’s getting worse.

The entire DC apparatus, ‘friend’ and foe alike, support the status quo.

Patriots have only one ally in the endeavor to drag it all out in full sunlight in front of the American public.  And that my friends is exactly why the UniParty system is targeting DNI Tulsi Gabbard constantly.

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1 posted on 09/30/2025 10:57:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The reality may just be some of these will be judged above and not on this earth.


2 posted on 09/30/2025 11:00:08 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? On hold! Enlisted USN 1967 proudly. 🚫💉! 🇮🇱🙏! Winning currently!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The reality may just be some of these will be judged above and not on this earth.


3 posted on 09/30/2025 11:00:12 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? On hold! Enlisted USN 1967 proudly. 🚫💉! 🇮🇱🙏! Winning currently!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
What do you expect when 80%+ of the ROGUE federal gov't is ILLEGAL because 80%+ is UNCONSTITUTIONAL????

AMERICA, WAKE UP AND SHUT DOWN THE $3+ TRILLION, 80%+ UNCONSTITUTIONAL PORTION OF THE FEDERAL GOV'T!!!!!!

4 posted on 09/30/2025 11:05:36 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Too big to jail” cannot - absolutely cannot - be the answer. This is the problem I have with “establishment” conservatives like Andrew McCarthy who complain that the Comey indictment is weak and sets bad precedent. OK, then what is the answer? And “let them go” is not an acceptable answer.


5 posted on 09/30/2025 11:09:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; BroJoeK; Ditto
BroJoeK, you need to read this. Same with you Ditto.

You need to understand that DC is a corrupt sewer, and has been since at least the 1820s.

6 posted on 09/30/2025 11:10:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They all are stakeholders, thus they have a vested interested in maintaining the status quo!


7 posted on 09/30/2025 11:10:24 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show host to me.... Sting)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Need a place to start? Try this...

There are so many reasons unconstitutional gov’t healthcare should be abolished.

Here is a sampling of reasons:

1) Gov’t takeover of healthcare is unconstitutional and, thus, illegal. Nowhere does the Constitution delegate power to the feds to meddle in healthcare.

2) See 1)

3) Gov’t healthcare puts your individual healthcare in the hands of distant, indifferent, and non-medial D.C. bureaucrats and politicians who of course as middlemen must be paid and, thus, increasing the cost of healthcare. The HHS bureaucracy has a budget of $1 trillion.

4) The highest quality, most affordable, and most available healthcare in the world is what we had in the voluntary cooperation DIRECTLY between doctor and patient before the gov’t muscled in in the 50’s and 60’s with its “helping hand” hand out and a hammer behind his back! As Ronald Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help’”.

5) Gov’t hammer? What hammer? Forced vaccines, forced abortions, forced treatment all by distant politicians and bureaucrats who are not medical experts and do not know you personally.

6) Gov’t agenda vs. your own personal agenda. Who cares more about your health? You? Or some distant politician and bureaucrat who doesn’t know you from Adam and frankly couldn’t care less about you personally?

7) No one cares more about your health than you. Why in the world would you take your personal healthcare and your personal choices in the self interest of your health and wellbeing out of the hands of the DIRECT relationship between you and the doctor of your choosing who knows and cares about you, and instead put your healthcare in the hands gov’t politicians and bureaucrats who don’t know you, have the power to force you to do what they want, and who have their own agenda which includes “culling” the “overpopulation” - so gov’t has a bias toward your death.

8) That is a short list. There’s more but why would anyone need more reasons? NUKE UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOV’T HEALTHCARE!!!

Follow up by dismantling most of the rest of the $1 TRILLION HHS, most of which is unconstitutional


8 posted on 09/30/2025 11:13:04 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Devin Nunes, ?

One of the bad guys ?

Utter b.s.

Sundance has danced too close to the sun .


9 posted on 09/30/2025 11:16:20 AM PDT by cuz1961
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bkmk


10 posted on 09/30/2025 11:19:46 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: rktman

They won’t be too big for God to judge and *jail*.

He’s not going to miss a thing either.


11 posted on 09/30/2025 11:21:32 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: metmom

Nope. He has all the data. 😊👍🙏


12 posted on 09/30/2025 11:30:36 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? On hold! Enlisted USN 1967 proudly. 🚫💉! 🇮🇱🙏! Winning currently!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

All just actors in the same theater play with the same goals. And those goals are not for the people.


13 posted on 09/30/2025 11:57:35 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: DiogenesLamp
You need to understand that DC is a corrupt sewer, and has been since at least the 1820s.

I understand that just fine. As you said it’s been a corrupt sewer since the time of Andy Jackson, the first Democrat to infest the government. And the Democrat party ( the party of the Confederates) has kept Washington corrupt ever since.

14 posted on 09/30/2025 3:28:42 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: rktman

“The reality may just be some of these will be judged above and not on this earth.”

I’d guess that with the unprecedented Havana Syndrome EM attack against the elitist state department that’s ongoing as we speak, that they are under judgment and subsequent punishment right now.

The casualties are in the thousands and the deep state is scared sh*tless.


15 posted on 09/30/2025 5:21:56 PM PDT by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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To: Ditto
As you said it’s been a corrupt sewer since the time of Andy Jackson, the first Democrat to infest the government

The stolen election of 1824 was by the people who made DC corrupt. Jackson getting elected in 1828 was despite their efforts to stop him.

He immediately refused to renew the bank charter of the Bank of the US. (Predecessor to the Federal Reserve.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_War

"However, Jacksonian Democrats and other opponents highlighted troubling examples of favoritism, alleging that the Bank catered to wealthy merchants and speculators while sidelining farmers, artisans, and small businesses. They pointed to the Bank's use of public funds for risky private ventures and its entanglement in political affairs as evidence of undue influence. For many, its blend of public authority and private profit was unconstitutional and eroded democratic ideals and state sovereignty. To its detractors, the Bank was a symbol of elite privilege and a potential threat to individual liberty."

In the early days, the Whigs, and later the Republicans, were the party of corruption. The Democrats fought against the rich fatcats who controlled the government through money and influence.

"“Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”

Andrew Jackson

You really don't know who is behind the evil forces in our country. They same group of people, living in the Same NorthEastern wealthy areas, are the same people who have plagued this nation since it's existence.

16 posted on 10/01/2025 6:03:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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