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French Rafale Scores a Simulated ‘Kill’ Against an F-35 Fighter in a Dogfight
National Security Journal ^ | 8/27/2025 | Reuben F. Johnson

Posted on 08/27/2025 7:25:37 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

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To: whyilovetexas111

This qualifier says it all: “within the visual range part of the engagement envelope”


21 posted on 08/27/2025 9:18:16 AM PDT by reed13k
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To: Jeff Chandler

The people who write these articles are completely ignorant of the subject.

Back in the 80s the ANG pilots in their F4s would regularly defeat USAF pilots in the new hotshot F16s. Experience and tactics change everything. As one Hornet pilot said,”I just watch the F16 pilot wear himself out making 6G turns.”


22 posted on 08/27/2025 9:31:15 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: dljordan

Lol. Every article from this BS blog is propaganda for more defense $.


23 posted on 08/27/2025 9:32:24 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: HombreSecreto
Wasn’t the F35 not really designed for a dogfight

Not only that, but an F35 might very well be accompanied by a cohort of F15s, the way aircraft carriers are surrounded by destroyers, cruisers, and submarines.

24 posted on 08/27/2025 10:04:17 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.)
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To: ro_dreaming

Nah. You have to illuminate the target with radar. The radar looks forward. If you are not illuminating a target, the radar missile you fire has nothing to track. There are semi active seekers, but only in terminal phase.

The items that vid shows are flares, not missiles.


25 posted on 08/27/2025 11:04:32 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

“the radar missile you fire has nothing to track.”

The missile can be told where it probably needs to go. The target location information can be updated by an outside means such as a radio broadcast, by its own means such as the “semi-active seeker”, or both.


26 posted on 08/27/2025 11:35:48 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Owen

The missile has an on board radar.


27 posted on 08/27/2025 2:03:49 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Who knew "Idiocracy", "1984", "Enemy of the State", and "Person of Interest" would be non-fiction?)
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To: ro_dreaming

It does. Semi active terminal guidance radar.

Remember, these are potentially stealth targets. You can’t rely on the weak transmitter of a missile’s radar.


28 posted on 08/27/2025 2:21:24 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Brian Griffin

You’re at least half right. The whole sensor fusion concept got added to AMRAAM for later variants, but it was largely too late because the enemy was pursuing lower radar cross section by then. Range to the AWACS would be X8 or so the range to the launching fighter. Signal return from the enemy — to the AWACS — would be far weaker than to the fighter, and maybe too weak to justify mid course guidance of AMRAAM.

The idea was pretty solid vs Gen III or III+, but the enemy is stealthier now. Launch and leave? Nope.


29 posted on 08/27/2025 2:28:05 PM PDT by Owen
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Remember, it’s got the AWACS overhead, multiple wingman, and even surface to air search radars that are networked together.

NOTHING FLIES ALONE. Just like a carrier battle group.


30 posted on 08/27/2025 3:51:19 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Who knew "Idiocracy", "1984", "Enemy of the State", and "Person of Interest" would be non-fiction?)
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To: brent13a

Brilliant....

You’re a class act.


31 posted on 08/27/2025 5:16:08 PM PDT by LFOD (Formerly - Iraq, Afghanistan - here to stay...,)
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