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Posted on 08/18/2025 12:51:34 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell
I often read on Free Republic that Canada's new prime minister, Mark Carney, is using a false narrative of an American desire to annex Canada as a method for gaining support in Canada against what was before Justin Trudeau's departure a near-certain change of government.
My opinion is that there is indeed a real desire in corridors of power in Washington DC, a plan to annex Canada or force Canadian provinces one by one to choose the option of seeking statehood as their citizens come to the conclusion that Canada is incapable of meeting their economic basic needs.
To some extent this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Trump administration places enough economic pressure on Canada to weaken the national economy, one by one (starting with Alberta and Saskatchewan) longer-term grievances come to a critical mass and their residents decide through already-extant political processes to seek either independence or U.S. statehood.
President Trump gave the game away with his comments about Canada being potentially a cherished 51st state, with Justin Trudeau its governor. Combined with insulting narratives about Canada having nothing that the U.S. wants or needs, and the whipping up through color-revolution strategies (directed most likely from parallel non-governmental offices in the Washington DC area) of anti-Canadian sentiments, two objectives are met. First, predictably, there will be massive Canadian dislike for Trump and his administration. This will induce a political reaction, as it did in the April election, to stay with the doomed globalist experiment under the Liberals, avoiding a more skilled and nuanced response that would likely come from the Conservatives.
It has further weakened Canada politically that the Conservative leader, unable to hold back the Liberal tide in April, lost his own seat and is thereby distracted by concerns about winning a by-election in what was supposed to be a safe seat in Alberta (in coming weeks). This byelection is giving Albertans a chance to register a third option vote and also to give an updated opinion on how Carney is responding to the threat.
Make no mistake, fellow FR members, your reporter here is certainly a pro-Trump, pro-MAGA individual personally and would probably be delighted (unlike 95% of my fellow citizens) if there were to be political union in the future between the USA and Canada. If it were within my power to do so, I would lead a political movement in that direction (nobody active in politics in Canada today has a good word to say about it). But as I say, make no mistake ... 95% or perhaps closer to 99% of Canadians want nothing to do with political union. There are three reasons for this:
1. Anyone who might be in favor of political union would likely be, like myself, a libertarian conservative with favorable views of Trump and MAGA. But they realistically understand that for Canada to enter union with the United States would further enhance the prospects of Democrat return to power, and in any case, we would be further behind to be swept up into a globalist America than we are in a globalist Canada. At the very best, it would be a no-win situation. Where such people exist, mainly in western Canada, independence is therefore seen as a better option, figuring that an independent western Canada would have a better chance of remaining anti-globalist.
2. More widely, Canadians figure that as citizens of the United States, they would continue to be looked down upon South Park style, and nobody wants to give up their sovereignty to become a regional have-not minority. Related to this, there would be questions about what rights Canadians would actually have as American citizens, would they gain full rights or would there be a period of partial second-class treatment? Canadians generally expect that they would be treated like dirt (not cherished as Trump stated) and exposed to all sorts of baseless prejudices of which there has been no shortage of examples here on FR (Canadians are retarded, Canadians do not tip, Canadians are stupid, Canadians are grifters, etc etc). None of these prejudices have any basis in fact and can be easily disproved. But unfortunately there is a triumphalist element to MAGA and it has whipped up the lowest common denominator of what people used to call the ugly American syndrome.
(and that introduces a paradox, Trump made political gains by promising to be less involved in imperial neo-con militaristic movements, yet here is an obvious attempt to annex a neighbor country and I often read statements here about how Canada must follow the orders of their superiors in Washington DC. Can you imagine how that plays here? In 1776, or 1814, if I were to post on a hypothetical internet, the Colonies should listen to their natural masters in London, how would you view that? This is how we view your pronouncements)
3. It is widely believed in Canada that political union would result in a shift in economic control from our own centres of power to American centres of power such as New York City, Houston, Dallas, California, etc, and Canadians would be gradually reduced to second-class status in all aspects of daily life -- all we need to do to assess this is to look at how things unfold in border states relative to centres of power. There is a noticeable reduction in standard of living on the U.S. side of our common border, you may not realize it, but it's obvious driving south into the U.S.A. that the standard of living is 25% or more lower than we have on our side of the border. That would of course quickly become similar once the border meant nothing.
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Now, where is this annexation strategy coming from? Is it something Donald Trump always wanted to do. I believe not. I don't think Canada was ever on Donald Trump's personal radar at all. There are political forces in the conservative portion of American politics that existed before Trump came down the escalator in 2015 to enter politics. Those forces are triumphalist (America is wonderful, Canada is terrible), and vengeful (Canada participated in the pro-Obama globalist campaign to weaken America). I get that part. I didn't like it myself and frankly, I am no great defender of Canada, the country has treated me personally like a leper on the basis of my own non-Canadian origins (born in England, not a good thing) and my Christian beliefs (stated in public, not a good thing). Parts of me would be delighted to see Canada humiliated on the world stage, I fully agree with sentiments I read about Canadians thinking they are special. Of course special just means different for a good reason. So it's half true, because Canadians are different for a bad reason (to advance socialism).
Trust me on this, you would not get the result the think tank triumphalists think they will get, if you absorb Canada. Canadians are very cunning people and very skilled at fitting into difficult situations (note our national sport, an obvious example). My prediction is that a merged USA-Canada would look more like Canada than they (or you) might expect, after a generation or two. And this is because Canadians would infiltrate your power structures and without changing their own values would begin to project those values out. It would not be a perfect victory, but ironically, if America thinks it can take over Canada, the only way for Canada to take over America is for America to do just that.
Comprende amigos? I hope so.
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Seems we are "on the same page" in this regard.
Supply and demand by those 'invisible hands', not government "allocation."
Which means Canada will be a bit of a basket case, until the Toronto-Ottawa "leaders" fail more obviously.
Not to quibble, but I asked you if you ARE an idiot? I didn’t call you one.
I wonder in general terms if any MAGA supporters are beginning to notice any disturbing tendencies of the actual agenda to depart from the stated agenda in the election campaign? Or are you getting exactly what you wanted?
Anyway, I hope we can make faster progress between Canada and the U.S. in addressing irritants like fentanyl, smuggling across borders (in both directions by the way), tariffs (not entirely our bad), military spending (already an issue in Canadian politics, Conservatives generally speaking want more). Insulting Canada is not really a smart way to begin this dialogue, it turns people off and naturally leads to the thought, “let’s wait until these people are gone.”
I thought it was telling that Trump had nothing good to say about Pierre Poilievre and never spoke once about Max Bernier. He doesn’t want Canadian conservatism to succeed, he wants the country weaker. What conclusion would you draw from that?
“I said there was a plan, not that you as FR members were in on it or supported it”
Space aliens...
>> I said it was a plan of powerful people behind the scenes in Washington DC.
Name five of them, and show your evidence.
We do not “annex” Canada...they choose,not us...I am tired of this talk.
India? I thought they were virtually at war with India.
>> are you getting exactly what you wanted?
I’m not naive enough to ever believe I’d get EXACTLY what I wanted from President Trump, or anyone else.
I am getting enough of what I wanted to be ecstatic. And when I compare what I’m getting with what I would be getting from a “Kamala” cabal — GOOD & HARD — I’m over the moon.
Next wedge question please?
‘But Greenland? Annex — definitely annex. Territory or protectorate also acceptable.’
Exactly, 100 upvotes!
If the US Govt ‘gets’ grabby then grab Greenland. Or buy it or whatever.
Greenland is a huge land mass directly in the center of the northern hemisphere.
Huge military significance - Huge!
The only people who think annexing Canada is a good idea are leftist morons in DC who want even more leftist morons from what used to be Canada to vote for them.
(Yeah I realize that there are several conservatives in western Canada and a few scattered around in the rest of it, but lets face it, any nation that elects a Trudeau or a Carney or a Ford is not something we need to add to our political environment.)
Yes, Greenland makes infinitely more sense to annex (or control) than Canada.
The Canada talk was a headfake. Trolling. Trademark Trump.
The muslim population in the US is about 1 to 1.5%
The muslim population in Canada is about 5%.
It’s a factor worth considering.
....=and I often read statements here about how Canada must follow the orders of their superiors in Washington DC. Can you imagine how that plays here? In 1776, or 1814, if I were to post on a hypothetical internet, the Colonies should listen to their natural masters in London, how would you view that? This is how we view your pronouncements)
I suspect many of those people on FR are among those working to undermine everything President Trump does. In California, I only hear how well Canadians are liked. I've traveled Canada and enjoyed the Canadians. So it's very likely those who automatically undermine everything Trump says or does are prone to hatin' on Canada. And if they can make Trump's objectives harder to reach, they'll now ratchet up the Canada remarks.
Also, as a Californian, I can report many Americans hate Californians because ....well they seem to confuse Californias who work and hold jobs with illegal aliens who live off welfare, and they confuse us with liberals who steal our elections, oh and they confuse us with nutty people in San Francisco who use the sidewalk for their bathrooms. Oh and they confuse Californian conservatives with every priviledged freak in Los Angeles too. I had someone hatin' on California, sneering that our financials meant we were living off everyone else in the US. I found the data that showed CA subsidizes other states and had better retirement data (she had cited CA as laughable but I demonstrated that CA's was better than her state). So there is some hate in the air anyway.I often read statements here about how Canada must follow the orders of their superiors in Washington DC.
I haven't seen those but I'm a bit suspicious of them because I don't know anyone who believes 'superiors' are in Washington DC. Just sayin', I think part of what you're reading is 'resistance' to Trump (alienate Canadians on purpose) and it will probably heat up if Trump continues his agenda. I can speak for other parts of the country - but a few of my friends who live outside California love their Canadian buddies.
It will be done discreetly by gradually replacing their elected officials with interdimensional beings.
I’ve read all 90 posts, 2 are my own.
Canada’s biggest impact will start on July 1st, 2026.
That’s when re-negotiations of the USMCA is possible to start.
And PDJT will start them! ! !
The only fly in this ointment/timeline would be EU knuckleheads succeeding in starting WW3
We want Alberta and Saskatchewan. Canada can keep the rest.
Why would we want North NY anyway?
If Canadians don’t expel the Muslims in their country, they will go the way of Europe. That Carney would praise their “contributions” speaks to the Globalist mindset. Will Carney finish what Trudeau started-ruining a once great Country?
Alberta has most of the resources that’s the only province the USA should want. Calgary is the Houston of the great white north and Edmonton is the Midland of it. Alberta also has loads of freshwater flowing north at elevations high.enough to make it worth while to divert it south to Montana and then Wyoming.
Montana puts it into the upper Mississippi River basin and therefore accessible in the Dakotas and Nebraska to the rapidly depleting ogallala aquifer all down hill from MT. WY has some of the upper Colorado River basin in its south Western corner you don’t go over the continental divide its steep and only twenty miles or so wide at 5000 feet MSL you bore UNDER the divide drop the water at 5000’ MSL on the other side of the mountain into the wall of a valley and its all downhill no pumping needed too lake Powell and there after lake Mead.
Tens of thousands of acre feet could be sent through a 12 meter wide TBM bored tunnel. This also allows. Denver which already has tunnels into the Colorado River basin to take more out of you compensate for those withdrawals up stream via imports in a tributary. Urban users pay rates high enough to justify importing water agriculture will never pay the rates needed.
Of course the 500 billion or so barrels of tar sands in place is a target for exploitation not all of it is recoverable nor economic. Alberta also has a sizable portion of Canadian natural gas reserves as well.
For more water and food the two prairie provinces might be worth it too they are a bread basket of wheat, cows and rye with big rivers flowing in from the west to irrigate all that land. Canada has 20% of all fresh water ON EARTH its the most blessed country in that regard.
There is a plan.
Operation Mainstay.
Canada will not try to keep itself and its people prepared to defend itself against Russia, China, anybody....even muslim takeover from within. Because the US will come to their aid....I mean, walk over them and stop the evil.
But if they know America might take them over, unwillingly, then all posdible opponents scare the hell out of them eventually. They will man up and prepare themselves and their people, or we will take them over.
Beta males are dangerous gor American survival and we will not tolerate it any longer.
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