If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy BY FORCE the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose BY FORCE the authority thereof, or BY FORCE to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or BY FORCE to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.]
It says “By Force” though. Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, and Susan Rice specifically didn’t do anything “By Force” nor orchestrate others to commit Seditious Conspiracy by force. I’m reading elsewhere that the Seditious Conspiracy charges might not apply due to that fact. I guess we’ll see how Bondi interprets Seditious Conspiracy to warrant indictments. What's y'all interpretation of Seditious Conspiracy by force? Maybe some legal minds can chime in.
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based on reading the docs posted by the DNi, all these documents prove is that obama and his minions lied about their political rival ... lying by a President and his minions about a political rival isn’t against the law ... Democrats lie all the time; in fact, that’s ALL they do ...
The Butler PA. Assassination attempt would Definitely Qualify.
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The ‘Players’ in That conspiracy should be afraid....
Very Afraid.
I don’t believe these treasonous acts have a statute of limitations.
How about using known false info to spy on the campaign? Sort of like a swatting call.
At the moment, the following are most likely to be charged:
“Clapper, Comey, Brennan, and Susan Rice”
Along with 1 or 2 federal judges (1 being a FISA judge), and 1 or 2 members of Congress (1 from each house).
We should just allow all of them to walk free and ferrget about the whole thing. So what if they attempted to criminally undermine, compromise and overthrow a legitimately elected president. Who cares if they subvert our elections while committing treason?
18 U.S.C. 2384 is a federal law that criminalizes conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or destroy the U.S. government by force. This statute applies not only to attempts at violent revolution but also to any coordinated effort to oppose government authority through unlawful means. Given its broad scope, it has been invoked in cases ranging from armed uprisings to plots against federal institutions.
Understanding this offense is crucial because it carries severe legal consequences and can be applied in various contexts, including political extremism and domestic terrorism. Examining its key elements, penalties, investigative process, possible defenses, and long-term effects provides insight into how this law functions in practice.
https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-2384-federal-conspiracy-to-overthrow-the-government/
By this definition, it seems to me that two or more persons' interfering with the arrest of illegal immigrants would be a seditious conspiracy.
Legally, “by force” includes coercion and threats.
They were using the force of law and attempting to operate the government illegitimately—without the consent of the people.
Force is not merely the same thing as violence.
It says “By Force” though. Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, and Susan Rice specifically didn’t do anything “By Force” nor orchestrate others to commit Seditious Conspiracy by force.
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depends on your definition of “force”
So just charge them with regular conspiracy. It’s not like any of them are going to be given the death penalty anyhow.
Or RICO - racketeering includes bribery, fraud, obstruction of justice, money laundering - all things that the Obama Crime Family engaged in.
Just charge them!
Of course the charges are important. But trying the case in a decent jurisdiction, outside DC is crucial for conviction.
Can intimidation, blackmail, or extortion be construed as force? The law is written as force...not martial or physical force.
Interesting question.
It seems after reading all the possible sections, Seditious conspiracy seems to describe the intent of what these people were doing.
Defining what “By Force” means is the question I agree.
There is nothing in the law that says it must be a “physical” force. By force can imply any force that is used to take over the government.
Here’s Webster’s definition of “By Force”
a(1) : strength or energy exerted or brought to bear : cause of motion or change : active power. the forces of nature.
It’s an idiom to imply all the above.
These people were conspiring to take over the government. Any they put in motion actions in that regard.
I think that law reads perfectily clear.
I’ll be happy just to see everyone of them bankrupted by legal fees, since they’ve used lawfare so ‘liberally’ against our side. A prison sentence would be the cherry on the cake.
Using the power of the FBI to arrest [via armed SWAT teams conducting early morning raids breaking in doors at gunpoint and jailing people on faked charges to protect the conspiracy is certainly "by force."
Dream on...
Charging the Kenyan would formally ignite an all-out bloody race war...