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The anti-Israel, pro-Iran faction [Tucker] on the right lost Trump.
JNS ^ | 06.16.25

Posted on 06/17/2025 12:30:11 AM PDT by Words Matter

The anti-Israel, pro-Iran faction on the right lost Trump. Whether or not America takes part in the fighting, the administration is complicit in the battle against a rogue, terrorist state. And the isolationist “woke right” is furious about that.

Jonathan S. Tobin. (June 16, 2025 / JNS).

Who is losing the most in the successful strikes on Iran by the Israeli Defense Forces? At the top of the list is, obviously, the Islamist regime itself. It has had its terrorist infrastructure in the form of the leadership of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, as well as what is left of its military. And, of course, it has suffered significant damage to its nuclear facilities, in addition to its oil and gas industry, which is the foundation of the despotic government’s already-shaky economy.

We don’t know yet what this will mean for the future of the theocratic regime that has maintained power since it took over the country in 1979. And it’s still far from clear whether the credibility lost by the way that the Israeli Air Force has been able to operate with impunity, destroying the government’s assets and leaders, will be enough to shake off their tyrannical grip on a nation that desperately needs to replace them.

The other big loser in this struggle is a “woke right” faction of the conservative movement in the United States that opposes Israel and has been fervently opposed to any action to stop Iran from gaining nuclear weapons. More to the point, this rag-tag group of talk-show hosts, right-wing influencers and social-media gurus who can’t seem to mention Israel without betraying their antisemitic tendencies has lost President Donald Trump.

Or to be more precise, they never really had him. The Tucker Carlson factor..


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To: BradyLS

We did not get out of Germany and Japan. We did crush the underlying ideologies involved.

We were unwilling to do this in the Middle East.


21 posted on 06/17/2025 1:21:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: GOPJ

Who keeps saying “Death to America”?


22 posted on 06/17/2025 1:22:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Don’t play coy with me. You know darn well I mean what does victory mean *in this context*.

You want war so bad then tell us...what can we reasonably expect to get out of it, in exchange for thousands of body bags? Thousands of widows? Thousands of men coming back maimed.

WE. As in the USA. Not Israel.


23 posted on 06/17/2025 1:22:43 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Freeleesy
They are Iranfirsters / Islamic power firsters.

Neocons in the 2000s: "If you don't support Bush's Iraq War then you're PRO-TERRORIST!"

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

24 posted on 06/17/2025 1:26:26 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Claud; All

Lying Tucker is not against wars. He is OK with Hamas and Iran continue to use Gazans as cannon fodders.


25 posted on 06/17/2025 1:26:32 AM PDT by Words Matter
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To: Olog-hai

We stayed in Europe, we stayed in the Middle-East, we stayed in Asia. We did everything you want and spent flagrantly. We are $37 trillion in debt, under invasion by illegals, and in a cold war at home with a leftist party bent on destroying what’s left of the United States.

We clean house at home first. The rest of the world will do just fine continuing to tear each other apart without our involvement.


26 posted on 06/17/2025 1:26:44 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Tucker is not against wars. He is OK with Hamas and Iran continue to use Gazans as cannon fodders.” - yes


27 posted on 06/17/2025 1:27:14 AM PDT by Words Matter
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To: Claud

There’s only one definition, even in this context.

Who keeps (or possibly “kept”) saying “Death to America” all this time?

I said I want victory, which is the opposite of wanting war. Those who do not want victory are those who want war, i.e. of those who are purportedly on our side—they want a war that makes us spend our might in vain and thus weakens us.


28 posted on 06/17/2025 1:27:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: BradyLS

We did not stay in Europe, actually. We handed control of NATO over to the EU in the 1990s; consider what happened in the Balkans. Those bases ended up being US in name only, thanks to Clinton.

And we are no longer in the Middle East, thanks to Obama and Biden. Have things improved?

It would not take long to clean house at home; only takes the will. And therein lies the problem, on some fronts.


29 posted on 06/17/2025 1:30:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes. We fought to win against Germany and Japan. When we fought to win. When we planned to win. We knew what that meant and we worked to secure it.

Our “leaders” in the wars since have lost that thread. And it’s gotten worse, not better.


30 posted on 06/17/2025 1:32:56 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Olog-hai

So does “victory” to you mean Iran’s current “Death to America” leadership is destroyed and replaced?


31 posted on 06/17/2025 1:35:01 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Olog-hai

Yes. We exert the will to win at home. First and foremost. When we’ve mastered that, let’s see where we stand with everyone. Until then, no more blood, sweat, and treasure to people that want to tear each other apart.


32 posted on 06/17/2025 1:35:12 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS

As for Asia, we ran out of two countries there twice without victory. And we ended up deluding ourselves that if we traded with one particular Asian country, we could convert them away from violent, godless communism—and look at what they’ve become.


33 posted on 06/17/2025 1:36:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Claud

Destroyed, yes; replaced, that depends. Would a return of the Shah’s rule result in a reliable ally or at least a neutral partner? Possibly an open question, but Carter never let us explore what the answer to that would be, favoring Ruhollah Khomeini the “holy man” in Carter’s words.


34 posted on 06/17/2025 1:38:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Words Matter ; All

Thanks for posting this, WM.


35 posted on 06/17/2025 1:40:35 AM PDT by Milagros
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To: Words Matter ; All
Checkout fascistic anti-Jewish, infamous Angelino97 stupid tags.
36 posted on 06/17/2025 1:41:21 AM PDT by Milagros
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To: Olog-hai

Ok, but if you destroy the Iranian leadership it will have to be replaced. Whether by us or someone else.

And what if its replacement is yet another “death to America” regime? Because it’s not like there are any shortage of people who believe that in the Islamic world.


37 posted on 06/17/2025 1:46:00 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

The resurrection of “Death to America” regimes has happened in two countries that we fled by Obama and Biden respectively.

Sometimes, of course, some countries simply have to be laid waste instead of replaced. Note Rome vs. Carthage; could be a bad example, but Carthage did not rise again to threaten them.


38 posted on 06/17/2025 1:49:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: BradyLS
Amen. We don’t need to take sides between foreign states bent on destroying each other.

Islamists have called us The Great Satan and chanted *Death to America* along with *Death to Israel*.

They ARE after us and have been for decades.

This war AT THE MOMENT, is between Israel and Iran, but to think that Iran won't be attacking us given the chance if complete foolhardiness.

The (feasible) opinion is that Iran doesn't want the nuked for Israel because they'd be in life for the fallout downwind, but for Europe and the US.

We have a vested interest in seeing them stopped.

Besides, if we do get involved, Trump won't keep us in it.

He'll finish the job and pull out.

39 posted on 06/17/2025 1:57:45 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Olog-hai

You sound like the folks that have put us where we are today. Just as the Communists that say “Communism hasn’t really been tried,” forever-war boosters like to tell us, “You haven’t spent nor bled enough.”


40 posted on 06/17/2025 2:03:50 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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