Posted on 06/02/2025 7:09:01 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
After all, it was NATO that went far beyond its agreements made at the collapse of the Soviet empire.
Neither “agreement” has been honored by those involved.
NATO expansion has been fueled by countries strongly desiring to have NATO protection from Russia. The current war has induced Finnland and Sweden to join NATO.
Does Russia have historical reasons to fear European invasion? Absolutely. Do Russia’s neighbors have reason to fear Russian expansion? Absolutely.
I do remember it at the time, but did not know that it had gone unsigned.
Does Russia have historical reasons to fear European invasion? Absolutely. Do Russia’s neighbors have reason to fear Russian expansion? Absolutely.
That's the bottom line all right.
The fact that such a complex mission involving so many people and so many elements in so many widely dispersed areas and requiring so much time to plan and assemble remained undetected, demonstrates to Russia that for Ukraine, just about anything is possible within Russia.
The more this soaks in to the Russians, the more disturbing it must be.
“”””After all, it was NATO that went far beyond its agreements made at the collapse of the Soviet empire.””””
What agreements? not only was there no such treaty the nations of NATO never even voted or held discussions to even submit such a treaty for signing.
If it is Russia’s Pearl Harbor, that means Russia’s enemies had better prepare for having awakened the Sleeping Bear. For Pearl Harbor was ultimately the beginning of the end for Japan’s Imperial Empire. Japan’s military elite leaders feared that they had awakened the Sleeping Giant , and it turned out that they were correct.
The cornerstone of Putin's power resides in the perception among Russian citizens that he is a protector. With Ukraine now demonstrating the ability to strike deep within Russian territory, this cornerstone is weakened. His power as a protector of Russia is now in question. What else is Ukraine capable of?
It seems he now has two choices. He must either respond with a wave of fire and blood so massive that the world shudders. Or he must resign.
And if he resigns, who replaces him? Someone who will push for a reset to the antebellum status quo? Or someone who will make Putin look like a moderate?
But make no mistake, yesterday's action by Ukraine was an incredible strike within Russia that will not go ignored. It is also a demonstration to NATO of what the future of warfare looks like. You can guarantee, every Admiral in the U.S. Navy right now is looking at fleets of ships lined up like sitting ducks in Norfolk and San Diego and thinking, "This could happen to us."
From Wikipedia:
The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with U.S. Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."
“”””After all, it was NATO that went far beyond its agreements made at the collapse of the Soviet empire.””””
Post 64 asked you, what agreements?
The Yeltsin eruption on December 5, 1994, made the top of the front page of the New York Times the next day, with the Russian president’s accusation (in front of Clinton and other heads of state gathered for a summit of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, CSCE) that the “domineering” U.S. was “trying to split [the] continent again” through NATO expansion. The angry tone of Yeltsin’s speech echoed years later in his successor Vladimir Putin’s famous 2007 speech at the Munich security conference, though by then the list of Russian grievances went well beyond NATO expansion to such unilateral U.S. actions as withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and the invasion of Iraq.
The new documents, the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the National Security Archive, include a series of revelatory “Bill-Boris” letters in the summer and fall of 1994, and the previously secret memcon of the presidents’ one-on-one at the Washington summit in September 1994. Clinton kept assuring Yeltsin any NATO enlargement would be slow, with no surprises, building a Europe that was inclusive not exclusive, and in “partnership” with Russia.
Ukraine's frontlines are crumbling:
[ Ukraine Frontline Changes ] TOTAL COLLAPSE AT NIU-YORK FRONT!!! Collapse at Sumy and Lyman too~!
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Actual count is 3 big bears destroyed and a couple more damaged, which is actually a strong result for Ukraine. Unfortunately these types of accounts lack perspective on what constitutes a successful strike and have to pretend that half the fleet was wiped out.
11:30 AM · Jun 1, 202
You keep showing things years after there was no Soviet Union in existence and you don’t show any NATO agreed and signed treaties that were violated.
NATO never voted on and agreed to put Russia in charge of who was allowed to join NATO.
What will Putin do next? What revenge will be exact on Ukraine and who really set this up? Was it CIA? MI-6? or ? Maybe its time for Putin to go all Ivan the Terrible and start to finish off Ukraine and all who enable her. Did Trump know of this attack? Did he help it with data? Was it to keep the war going? (See Ukraine can win after all!) Neo-Cons, Banderites and Pro-Ukraine people cheer and shout at this remarkable victory—but their will be a price to pay. You have united Russians as never before. This bold move may have kicked a time bomb.
18 months of planning for this?
Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺
@witte_sergei
Actual count is 3 big bears destroyed and a couple more damaged, which is actually a strong result for Ukraine. Unfortunately these types of accounts lack perspective on what constitutes a successful strike and have to pretend that half the fleet was wiped out.
11:30 AM · Jun 1, 202
“Should the Rooskies nuke the Uke land well, where are they going to get the peeps to live there afterward?”
I have stood at ground zero in Hiroshima,.It’s a vibrant modern area now. Air bursts do not leave lasting fallout as the fireball never touches the ground to mix in soil and rubble it gets dispersed in the stratosphere.
I also have been all over the Nevada test site doing gravity survey and hydro analysis. The place where the USA did surface burst a number of out larger weapons than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You can walk one most of it now, every one wears dose meters but we never got more than a x rays worth of rads.
You could level a city with megaton air bursts, wait for the fire storms to burn out and march right in a few days later. This says nothing of using enhanced radiation weapons aka neutron bombs they also don’t leave long term fallout, you would need to wait for a few weeks for the activation products to decay.
When you speak of a gloved hand, what exactly do you mean? In three years time, the only weapon not used by Russia, and I may be wrong, are nuclear weapons.
Russia may just turn Kiev into a pile of rubble. Ukraine has victories in battles and attacks but can’t possibly win the war. The EU is insane.
Economically yes, but otherwise no.
Ukraine is showing Taiwan how to defend itself from a larger invading horde
They've been attacking Kyiv nonstop since February 2022.
So it's nothing new.
The Ukes lack the ability to take their territory back unless Russia gives it back. They MAY have the ability through these attacks and more to come, to make some Russians think what Putins war is costing Russia isn’t worth it to Russia and Putin gets murdered by his own people. That could reasonably happen and is likely what is going on unofficially. How much has this cost Russia so far? The Ukes are trying to bleed them.
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