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The Hidden Costs and Harms of Wind Energy
Various Primary Sources | Many 15, 2025 | Protect Our Freedom and Grok

Posted on 05/15/2025 10:02:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom

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I had a long "discussion" about wind energy with Grok 3.0. I coaxed and coached it a lot, continually raising objections and pointing out other problem areas. It did a good job taking account of my concerns. At the end of our "discussion," I asked it to produce a concise paper summarizing what we "discussed."

I did this to explore how AI can be used to prepare position papers. The product is fair to good, nowhere near excellent. But the ability of AI to do this is amazing. The ability to "dialog" with AI and coach it toward the direction you want to go is incredible.

The paper above is the product it produced. I've done a small amount of editing.

See what you think. Comments welcome.

1 posted on 05/15/2025 10:02:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Later.


2 posted on 05/15/2025 10:16:25 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with thisđŸ’©? đŸš«đŸ’‰! đŸ‡źđŸ‡±đŸ‘!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Wind’s harms outweigh benefits; “

I am not aware of any benefits. However this looks very interesting and thorough and will read it later.


3 posted on 05/15/2025 10:20:44 PM PDT by KamperKen (u)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

At least windmills keep Iranians away. But the problem is that at the same time, they also attract the Dutch... and also people from Holland.

It’s definitely a complex problem.


4 posted on 05/15/2025 10:26:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...Low IQ morons also have t)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2010/04/08/wind-power-is-a-complete-disaster/

There is no evidence that industrial wind power is likely to have a significant impact on carbon emissions. The European experience is instructive. Denmark, the world’s most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power’s unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone)


5 posted on 05/15/2025 10:28:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of anger, hate and violence.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Don’t forget wind mills blades lasting 1/3 of their designed life with no recycling available for those “green” blades
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6 posted on 05/15/2025 10:54:07 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show host to me.... Sting)
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To: DesertRhino

“It’s definitely a complex problem.”

SNORT!! Good one.


7 posted on 05/15/2025 10:56:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Diversity is our Strength” just doesn’t carry the same message as “Death from Above”)
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To: KamperKen

“Wind’s harms outweigh benefits; “

Ditto. I can’t think of a single benefit.

I”m appalled at the destruction of our nation’s magnificent vistas all up and down teh western states. None of the greeniacs care about that. But their parents went berserk for a couple of oil platforms a mile off the Pacific Ocean beaches.


8 posted on 05/15/2025 10:57:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Diversity is our Strength” just doesn’t carry the same message as “Death from Above”)
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To: Lockbox

Yes. And millions of tons of concrete buried in the ground. Towers that will never be taken down. They will sit there rusting for decades.


9 posted on 05/15/2025 10:59:05 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Diversity is our Strength” just doesn’t carry the same message as “Death from Above”)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wow, those are damning statistics in Denmark, the “world’s most wind-intensive nation.” Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 05/15/2025 11:05:55 PM PDT by poconopundit (Kash Patel, his portrait's in Webster's next to the word "gangbusters". Go Kash go! Love ya man!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

No free lunch.


11 posted on 05/15/2025 11:13:32 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I have invented a pen that can write underwater. And other words. )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; alloysteel

One thing I see no mention of in the Grok analysis is the high cost of connecting to the electric grid.

Cities are where the electricity is consumed, but offshore wind or remote wind farms on land require tremendous investments to get electricity to where it needs to be consumed.

Ask a few questions of Grok on that subject. I’m curious about that. Cheers.


12 posted on 05/15/2025 11:13:55 PM PDT by poconopundit (Kash Patel, his portrait's in Webster's next to the word "gangbusters". Go Kash go! Love ya man!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Later


13 posted on 05/15/2025 11:53:02 PM PDT by Bob434 (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"Disposal" in Europe


14 posted on 05/15/2025 11:54:25 PM PDT by spokeshave (Proud Boys, Angry Dads. Grumpy Grandads & Curmudgeon<p.s)
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15 posted on 05/15/2025 11:57:43 PM PDT by spokeshave (Proud Boys, Angry Dads. Grumpy Grandads & Curmudgeon<p.s)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

more turbine stupidity in Australia today:

7News: Wind turbine crash shuts down major Queensland highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGYKXSMPJjo


16 posted on 05/16/2025 1:27:08 AM PDT by MAGAthon ( )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What is not mentioned much is that every turbine requires approx. 700 - 800 gallons of oil to lubricate moving parts. The oil has to be changed periodically. I don’t care how careful they would be oil spills are a guarantee. Off shore spills would be worse, I’m sure. Also the blades need to be sprayed with an anti-freeze in the winter before a snowstorm. I can’t see how that could be done without residual spray harming wildlife. Green? I don’t think so.


17 posted on 05/16/2025 2:53:47 AM PDT by Omnivore-Dan
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Agree with this article.
I would add that wind farms need access road, so lots of landscape gets destroyed that way, even if the turbine is removed, the concrete pedestal will likely stay forever.

Finally, they net power delivered with comparison to the energy required to build them make them very poor energy sources, and often energy sinks!


18 posted on 05/16/2025 2:55:28 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: spokeshave
"Disposal" in Texas...


19 posted on 05/16/2025 3:13:21 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Kamala defines herself in just 4 words..."Nothing comes to mind.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Wheat is primarily self pollinated and does not require insects. Very comprehensive post. Learning more about wind than I ever wanted too. Fighting a proposed turbine project in WV.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+wheat+pollinated&oq=how+is+wheatpol&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCQgBEAAYDRiABDIGCAAQRRg5MgkIARAAGA0YgAQyDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyCggEEAAYgAQYogQyCggFEAAYogQYiQUyCggGEAAYgAQYogQyCggHEAAYgAQYogQyBwgIECEYjwIyBwgJECEYjwLSAQkxMTk3M2owajeoAhSwAgHxBZ4XbezUsDY2&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


20 posted on 05/16/2025 3:32:02 AM PDT by muskah (Loose lips sink ships)
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