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To: Macho MAGA Man

The West German air force used Starfighters, and they had a bad reputation for crashing.


4 posted on 04/04/2025 4:06:07 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
...they had a bad reputation for crashing.

Huge engine and tiny, stubby wings. I'm sure they were a handful to fly.

6 posted on 04/04/2025 4:13:25 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: Fiji Hill

While a friend and I were hitchhiking through the Saarland in the early 70s we heard a ssssssssssssSSSSSSS then 2 German 104s passed over going just below the sound barrier and skimming the trees. It was mighty impressive.


11 posted on 04/04/2025 4:32:49 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Fiji Hill

Usually traced to poor maintenance by their conscripts. Other NATO allies operated the F-104 with a far better record.


13 posted on 04/04/2025 4:44:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Fiji Hill

The Flying Coffin. Germans made a VTOL version, it’s at one of their military museums.


23 posted on 04/04/2025 6:15:19 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Fiji Hill

-The West German air force used Starfighters, and they had a bad reputation for crashing.-

The German air force bought over 900 Starfighters and crashed a third of them hence the nickname Witwenmacher (”widowmaker”).

When I was stationed at Luke AFB in the early 80’s the German’s had two squadrons of F-104s there and they crashed those things all the time on the range. The pilots always punched-out and never went down with the plane. I guess they would get out as soon as any problem came up because of the nickname.

The F-104 was used by all our NATO allies and I watched a Turkish pilot, in Incerlik, land one that have an in-flight emergency with the throttle stuck at ¾ on. The 104 was always fast on approach but that guy was screaming, near super-sonic, and broke through the incoming barrier on landing, but he did get it down. It seems the Turks like their planes better than their pilots.

Interesting the U2 spy-plane and the F-104 have a lot in common as they were designed at the same time (early 50s) by Kelly Johnson at Lockheed Skunk Works. They use the same fuselage and J-73 engine but they look so different with such different missions.


24 posted on 04/04/2025 6:15:35 PM PDT by bosco24
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