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Help in Finding Forgotten, Dystopian Science Fiction Book
vanity | Marktwain

Posted on 03/31/2025 3:18:06 PM PDT by marktwain

I need help in finding a forgotten science fiction book.

I can describe the plot, but have forgotten the title and author.

The plot is in a future where people in rural areas live in fortified homes and are suspicious of anyone they do not know. There is significant overpopulation. Gas vehicles are frowned upon and/or forbidden in urban areas.

Vehicles which exceed the speed limit on the interstate are simply machine-gunned because stopping them has become too dangerous.

However, the Supreme Court has ruled there is a privacy right as part of the Second Amendment, and the government has no right to search for weapons or to forbid weapons on or in a persons home. Full auto is a protected right on your property.

There are handheld laser weapons, they figure little in the story. They are mentioned in passing, but nearly all the plot involves ordinary cartridge firearms.

In the second half of the story, which is essentially a separate plot, one of the sons from the first half goes to an urban center. He has a revolver and saves a food caravan going into the city. In the City people live in fortified blocks of apartments and seldom go out at night. The night is owned by outlaw gangs. The same gangs openly rob, murder and kidnap in the middle of vast traffic jams of electric vehicles.

In the second half someone describes the young rural resident as an "army of one".

This book is roughly from 1980 or earlier.

Any help in finding this reference would be appreciated.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; book; sf
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The book seems prescient in many ways. It almost seemed the author started two different stories, then put them together to make a manuscript long enough for a book.

It sort of reminds me of The Weapon Shops of Isher, but is completely different.

1 posted on 03/31/2025 3:18:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Chat GTP says ‘The Shockwave Rider’ by John Brunner


2 posted on 03/31/2025 3:23:19 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Long live The Great MAGA Kangz!)
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To: HYPOCRACY

ChatGPT gave me a different answer?

Based on your detailed description, the novel you’re recalling appears to be “City of Darkness” by Ben Bova, published in 1976.

If this doesn’t fully match the book you’re seeking, you might also consider “Make Room! Make Room!” by Harry Harrison, published in 1966.

I hope this helps you identify the book you’re searching for.


3 posted on 03/31/2025 3:25:20 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: edwinland

Funny. I just cut and pasted his description. I’ll try Grok for the tie breaker!


4 posted on 03/31/2025 3:26:34 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Long live The Great MAGA Kangz!)
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To: marktwain

`I think the name of the book is “Don’t Buy A Tesla, Democrats Are Terrorists”


5 posted on 03/31/2025 3:27:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I'm so on fire that I feel the need to stop, drop, and roll!)
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To: marktwain

bkmk


6 posted on 03/31/2025 3:27:22 PM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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To: Lazamataz

I thought the name of the book was, “If I Had Won”, by Madam Hillary Rodham Clinton the Great.


7 posted on 03/31/2025 3:29:16 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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bump


8 posted on 03/31/2025 3:29:31 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: edwinland

After a bunch of non-starters, Grok gave me “The Sheep Look Up”, also by John Brunner.

It also gave another Brunner novel, so sounds like he’s in the right genre.


9 posted on 03/31/2025 3:29:32 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Long live The Great MAGA Kangz!)
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To: HYPOCRACY

Superb. I was recently looking for a very obscure sci fi short story and Grok was the winner there too.


10 posted on 03/31/2025 3:31:54 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: marktwain

The book is The Castle Keeps, by Andrew J. Offutt.


11 posted on 03/31/2025 3:31:54 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

You beat the AI!


12 posted on 03/31/2025 3:33:37 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Long live The Great MAGA Kangz!)
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To: edwinland; HYPOCRACY

““Make Room! Make Room!” by Harry Harrison, published in 1966.”

the book that the cult classic movie “Soylent Green” was loosely based on ...


13 posted on 03/31/2025 3:34:25 PM PDT by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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To: edwinland

‘Make Room,Make Room’
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Was Soylent Green——IIRC


14 posted on 03/31/2025 3:37:39 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: catnipman

BAM!


15 posted on 03/31/2025 3:38:25 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: marktwain

Sounds like the premise of Rush’s “Red Barchetta”.

RLTW


16 posted on 03/31/2025 3:40:38 PM PDT by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: marktwain

Not this story, but “The roads must roll” is all about self driving cars. Written in 1940 by Robert Heinlein.


17 posted on 03/31/2025 3:52:20 PM PDT by Waverunner
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To: HYPOCRACY

Artificial intelligence will never replace natural stupidity (at which I’m told I shine).


18 posted on 03/31/2025 3:58:00 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Waverunner

The Roads Must Roll is not about self-driving cars at all. The roads of the story were glorified conveyor belts. Vehicles were no longer used for general transportation.


19 posted on 03/31/2025 4:08:28 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: marktwain

I think you’re describing Rules For Radicals.


20 posted on 03/31/2025 4:09:43 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn’t become your biography, what good is it?)
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