Posted on 02/20/2025 9:58:19 AM PST by Enterprise
Speculation is raging as to the identity of the pilot involved in Delta Airlines Pearson Airport crash, with some sources claiming she was a woman who only got certified a month ago.
The plane flipped over while landing, leaving terrified passengers hanging upside down in their seats, and it’s a minor miracle that no one died, although 21 people were taken to hospital.
Many have blamed pilot error for the crash, noting that the pilot did not seem to attempt to pull the nose of the plane as it descended.
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It collapsed the right rear gear first, driving it upwards into the wing and shearing it off. This actually saved people, as the lift of the left wing caused the rollover instead of bellyflopping and exploding. Source = I know people.
She flipped it on it's head!
It seems to me that it was a difficult landing, and likely several different reasons contributed to the crash. What is most troubling, though, is that Delta just wants to keep quiet about everything. It’s reasonable to wait for the investigation to be completed before addressing the causes of the crash. But there is plenty of information they can give, and they’re not saying anything.
Once they got it down on the ground, all call rang out and I picked it up. Captain asking if everyone was okay. Reports from throughout the cabin of bins, suitcases falling out of overhead, galley bins fallen onto floor, etc. Then I told him I had snapped my neck. He goes, "Where are you sitting?" "4 Right." "Yeah, you got the brunt of it," was his response. I had to go to the emergency room that night for x-rays and they deadheaded me back home the next day. Turned out it was the First Officer's very first landing on the 747 out of simulator qualification. Yikes.
I had three months of physical therapy and doctor's appointments, but you know what? Me being in that hard landing meant I wasn't flying on 9/11 the following week. Blessing.
And they never do. Have had many friends who have evacuated aircraft and they always say, "You would not believe the sh!t they come running with, thinking they're going to go down a slide carrying a 50 pound roll aboard..." One of my friends was grabbing it out of their hands and chucking it to the side.
I got my plots license 35 years ago and my instructor was a girl with an ATP and she was my age, She Started flying corporate and commercial right after I got my license.
But this was 35 years ago when we actually had Strict Standards and nobody was given bonus points for anything.
It was airline flight 232 - thanks. DC-10’s were notorious for having the tail jet come crashing down on the rudder/elevator controls making them useless. There was one in Paris, France that came down the same way but all were killed.
The co pilot was he floor screaming and trying to get the last drop out it the box of wine
I don’t think the DC-10 was “notorious for having the tail jet come crashing down on the rudder/elevator controls.” But the proximity of the engine to the critical hydraulic lines was a problem.
In the case of Flight 232, the tail engine suffered a catastrophic uncontained failure due to a fatigue crack in its fan disk, a manufacturing defect that went undetected. When the engine exploded at 37,000 feet, fragments burst outward, severing all three of the aircraft’s hydraulic lines. These hydraulic systems powered the primary flight controls, including the rudder, elevators, ailerons, and other surfaces critical for steering and stabilizing the plane.
The rear flight surfaces and tail / engine structure were not affected by the burst disc, only the hydraulic lines.
I don’t know of any other cases where DC-10 top engine location caused a problem. Do you?
You’d think a lady pilot would be likely to flare with a flair!
So in my mind was the cause of the accident just the pilot, or was it the slick runway that didn't slow the one-wing plane down quickly, or was it the some flaw in the wing spare or landing gear.
I think it will take time to figure out the root cause of this accident. I think everyone can say that the cause was not Trump not being nice to FAA air traffic control staff, since this was in Canadian airspace.
Unless the pilot's actions cause the wing to break (which I find hard to believe), then I am not sure that even a more experienced pilot would have been able to keep the plane from flipping.
My dear friend was a female pilot. She came from a working class family in Watertown, NY, grew up on skis. In 1969 she loaded up an old car and took off for Aspen wanting to be a pilot. She had little money but planned on being a ski instructor and waitress until she could take lessons. She worked her way up to a 737 rating, mostly flying private jets and King Airs. Thousands of hours and flew for some major, well known people. The most dedicated, professional and driven person I have ever known. She is retired now but was a favorite pilot for a very well known billionaire in the news, rumored to be gay. Whenever he flew west to ski, he asked her to be the pilot so they could ski together. I asked her for years about his sexuality and would always say, “what I know about my clients never leaves my mouth”. We talked a while back, being long retired, and I said, ok what about him, is he gay, she said, “no way”. I asked did you sleep with him, (she was great looking) she answered , “I was way too old for him”. She was in her thirties when she started piloting for him. LOL
Flight data seems to show a descent rate much too high.
https://youtu.be/k6e0Xwdjn3U?si=4J4ZH0wVkxJp9kjH
Buh bye! Have a nice day! We know you have a choice in flying and are proud you chose Endeavor!! Buh bye!!!!
My husband said if I say one more word about his driving, he is going to buy me a car seat and put me in it in the backseat facing backward!!! 🤣
I remember in recurrent, hearing about a crash in Ca where two passengers were fighting to get out of the plane first, at the overing exit, I think, and passengers died from smoke inhalation because they couldn’t exit.
“My husband said if I say one more word about his driving, he is going to buy me a car seat and put me in it in the backseat facing backward!!! 🤣”
ROFL
Please thank your husband for me for giving to me a wonderful suggestion! ;-)
Woooo!
It reminds me of a Buddhist parable:
A farmer has a horse for many years; it helps him earn his livelihood and raise his son. One day, the horse runs away. His neighbor says sympathetically, “Such bad luck.”
The farmer replies, “Maybe. Who knows?”
The next day, the horse makes its way back home bringing with it another horse. The neighbor says with a smile, “Such good luck.”
The farmer replies, “Maybe. Who knows?”
The following day, the farmer’s son rides the new horse and seeks to tame it. In the process, he breaks his leg. The neighbor says sympathetically, “Such bad luck.”
The farmer replies, “Maybe. Who knows?”
The last day of the story, the military comes to the village to draft all able-bodied young men to fight in a war. The son is exempt from the draft due to his broken leg.
You can guess what the neighbor said, and how the farmer replied.
I was on a flight on a 737 to Lubbock, TX. Anyone who has lived there knows about the winds there. The pilot tried to land 3 times and each time, a cross wind blew the plane to the right over the grass. Attempt #4, he brought it in nose down and slammed it onto the runway. Overhead bins flew open and all kinds of chaos happened. We all clapped for him after we stopped. Fun ride.
No need to get carried away with your corrections to my post. I posted the LINK from AOPA for a reason and that was for EVERYONE to read if interested and didn’t feel it necessary to spell it all out.
I’m familiar with the qualifications for the ATP and Type Ratings. My husband and I had a flight operation in OC, CA for 25 years - he taught many guys and gals who after years of training (and instructing) went to work for the airlines..
I remember when my husband went for his ATP - the goal of a lifetime and considered the PhD of aviation. He got his PVT Certificate while still in the AF in the ‘50’s. He’s gone now but all his pilot certificates are framed and still on the wall...and all his log books are in cabinets.
One former instructor who flys for AA on the B737 MAX called me just the other day after he’d tracked down one of our other former instructors who retired with UAL on the B777. The daughter of another flying club member today flys for AA on the B787. She took flying lessons when her dad did but she went all the way and soloed at the age she was eligible - 16? Started taking her lessons in the ‘70’s...soon to be retired. She was hired at the majors long BEFORE DEI was ever heard of.
I have said the same thing to FReepers about the DC crash that you said about the Toronto one - WAIT for NTSB....I know a former Black Hawk pilot veteran and I know how THE supposition about that crash hurts....Can’t stop people from conjecturing tho’!
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