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Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and the Silicon Valley Tech Millionaire Group Continue Lambasting Americans While Advocating for Expanded Foreign Worker Visas
The Last Refuge ^ | December 26, 2024 | Sundance

Posted on 12/27/2024 10:05:09 AM PST by SoConPubbie

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To: grey_whiskers
Nope.
Another University of Pennsylvania graduate like President Trump.
Try again.
241 posted on 12/27/2024 8:24:04 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: grey_whiskers

Is that why Tesla is more profitable than GM, Ford, even VW which is currently suffering from strikes in Germany adding to pressure for Germany to hold new elections in February next year?


242 posted on 12/27/2024 8:28:34 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: grey_whiskers
Musk did not invent H1B’s.
They were already there before he even founded Tesla.
If you are so worried about employing US engineers why don't you go create your own company and employ them?
Instead of waiting for hard working talented guys like Musk to found so many hi tech companies employing tens of thousands of top notch US engineers, only for far left jokers like like you, who never created anything, to stand by the side scratching your balls and whining all day?
243 posted on 12/27/2024 8:34:55 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: grey_whiskers
Very relevant.
He works super hard to create things/companies.
You don't!
But you are world champion at whining and throwing stones at those who create.
244 posted on 12/27/2024 8:38:14 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

So what if he creates companies?

That does not give him the right to screw US citizens while taking advantage of his adopted citizenship, and the unique advsntages of the US.

And I reject your strawman.

I throw stones at those who tilt the scales in their favor. There is no business need, just greed.


245 posted on 12/27/2024 8:41:29 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m ignoring your ad hominem.

Creation is not the only thing: there is malinvestment ad well as investment.

Other Green boondoggles come to mind, like the worthless electric windmills.

And EVs are a major grift, for they not only cost more, but are ultimately powered by coal.

If 70% of the US electric power grid were supplied by conventional nuclear, or Thorium reactors, it wouldn’t be so bad.


246 posted on 12/27/2024 8:46:37 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Again Musk did not create H1B’s.
They existed already before he founded any of his companies.
If you don't like it, work to change the law. Again, no one is stopping you from creating your own companies and employing US engineers.
{As if you could}.
Chuckle.
247 posted on 12/27/2024 8:50:04 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: grey_whiskers
Actually Tesla has lost the ability to qualify for some EV subsidies becasue they have sold too many EV’s already, over 7 million worldwide.
Ford, GM, Stellantis still qualify for all EV subsidies, and they are still being clobbered by Tesla in sales and everything else.
Go whine at them.
248 posted on 12/27/2024 8:56:21 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

It doesn’t matter.
He’s not in the US because of H1-Bs.

He’s in the US because of our rule of law (don’t have to bribe officials to do any and every little thing), our infrastructure to include transport and electricity, our Universities, our purchasing power our lack of intellectual property theft, and our capital markets.

He’s just so greedy he wants to add wholescale wage arbitrage.

As though the richest man in human history can’t afford regular market wages, and ad though he couldn’t afford to pay to train US software developers, as I remember ordinary companies without Musk’s wealth, doing in my lifetime.


249 posted on 12/27/2024 9:22:43 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Tesla/SpaceX are two of the highest paying engineering outfits in America.
That's why his companies attract the best engineering talent In America and achieve wonders.
250 posted on 12/27/2024 9:33:57 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Then why’s he pushing for H1-Bs?

And how many H1-Bs are in key engineering slots in Tesla and SpaceX?

And why doesn’t he admit that the other advantages of the US are a reflection of white Christian culture?

Troll.


251 posted on 12/27/2024 9:47:43 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SoConPubbie

At the end of the day, the reality is this.

It is and will be

Tech Bros (aka the elite New Deep State) vs. the MAGA BASE.

I assume you are in the latter from your writings. (?)

And we are now 48 hours into the aftermath of digital Ft. Sumter and the god-king is still silent and neutral down in Florida playing golf. Face it, you and others have been played and are being played by the con-men.

His inner sanctum is not in or of the American heartland. They are in the closed, tinsel-town, beautiful people-gated community of gold toilet seat Mar A Lago, which the average red-capped sap will have to climb a wall to get into, rubbing elbows with the elite and well-heeled who funded his campaign and saved his tail from jail.

Condolences.


252 posted on 12/27/2024 11:07:14 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Pray for Jim. ***** Donate to FR (Freepathon) PS: ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: grey_whiskers
Do they have a business need, or the moral right to force myriad social problems on the country which gives the a peaceful market, more or less equitable rule of law, existing infrastructure, allows them freedom to run a business without bribery/govt. extortion, etc.?

This sentence is gobbledygook. Structurally, it is a classic example of a run-on sentence.

Instead of blaming everyone else for your misery, look in the mirror, Bucky. Your class envy is overwhelming, exacerbated by intoxicant abuse. Hard to believe you are still employed with your abusive behavior and nasty attitude. I would have fired you.

253 posted on 12/28/2024 12:04:18 AM PST by NautiNurse (With a cough and a sputter, the original lying dog-faced pony soldier is led out to pasture. )
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To: grey_whiskers

whadayamean ‘stop trolling’?

do the math ...1986 minus 2024 is not “25 years ago”.


254 posted on 12/28/2024 12:06:03 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

I was only keying on your last sentence...it sounded like it was backing Elon’s contention that Americans are retarded.

If you meant instead, that due to outsoucing/offshoring, the latest generation of US students ran from tech, I agree.

Apologies, sometimes I ready-FIRE!-aim when there are lots of people trolling.


255 posted on 12/28/2024 12:14:58 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Meet the new boss...


256 posted on 12/28/2024 12:15:23 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: NautiNurse

Sounds like your ox has been gored.
Your ad hominems are (as usual from the H1-B apologists) completely off-target.


257 posted on 12/28/2024 12:17:09 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
H1B’s have plenty of uses.
To create the best rocket company on the planet like SpaceX, you need the best engineers on the planet, not just any engineers you can lay hands on.
If you'd actually created ANY big advanced technology companies in your life, you'd know.
Oh wait, you spend your life trolling and spewing out nonsense on internet boards.
258 posted on 12/28/2024 1:43:37 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SoConPubbie
A number of notable tech professionals and entrepreneurs began their careers in the U.S. on H-1B visas. Here are some examples:

Satya Nadella started his career in the U.S. at Sun Microsystems before moving to Microsoft, where he eventually became CEO. His journey highlights the significant impact that H-1B visa holders can have on major tech companies.
Sundar Pichai is another prominent example; he joined Google on an H-1B visa and later rose to become the CEO of Alphabet Inc. and Google. His leadership has contributed immensely to Google's growth and innovation.
Elon Musk initially came to the U.S. from South Africa on a student visa but transitioned to an H-1B visa while working on his early ventures, including Zip2 and X.com, which later became PayPal. Musk has since founded or co-founded Tesla, SpaceX, and other companies, significantly influencing various industries.
Jensen Huang founded NVIDIA while on an H-1B visa. NVIDIA has become a key player in graphics processing units (GPUs) and artificial intelligence, showcasing the entrepreneurial spirit supported by the visa program.
Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, also utilized the H-1B visa to start his career in the U.S. before co-founding Google with Larry Page, which has transformed the internet and technology landscape.
Nikesh Arora worked at Google and SoftBank Group before becoming the CEO of Palo Alto Networks, all under the support of the H-1B visa, highlighting the visa's role in career progression across different tech giants.
Tony Xu, co-founder of DoorDash, also started his career in the U.S. on an H-1B visa, contributing to the gig economy through his company's innovative approach to food delivery.

These individuals exemplify how the H-1B visa has been instrumental in bringing skilled labor to the U.S., contributing to technological innovation, and economic growth. Their stories reflect a broader trend where H-1B visa holders have not only filled roles but have also taken leadership positions, founded companies, and spurred job creation.

259 posted on 12/28/2024 2:33:36 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SoConPubbie
55% of billion dollar+ tech companies were started by immigrants.

Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.

They employ 400,000+ people collectively.

Percentage of workforce allowed to be H1-B is effectively capped at 15% for big tech companies.

The other 85%+ is American.

At Google only 5% of the workforce was H1-B renewals or petitions in 2023.

The U.S. is 12/37 among first-world (OECD) nations in science.

28/37 in math.

400,000 new engineers are needed every year.

A third of positions go unfilled.

Short-term, we need foreign reinforcements or we will lose.

Long-term, we need to improve the home team

260 posted on 12/28/2024 2:55:01 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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