Posted on 11/08/2024 5:51:46 AM PST by HamiltonJay
Yup good points. Several high profile liberals left the party because they were not tolerated for their more moderate viewpoints, and I think a great many unknown moderate liberals might just have seen the ,ight and left their party this election because they got fed up with the radical socialist agenda znd unrelenting attacks by their own party for not falling in line.
Not sure thouhg that hav8ng them join the repub,ican party is a Good thing though. I think it will have the effect of moving the party even further left, with more rinos being created.
The Trump fami,y really do deserve a lot of credit for helping pres Trump win this election- they worked their tails off going around neighborhoods door to door- they really did put a lot of time and effort into getting him reelected again.
Liberal vs Conservative isn’t the most important thing anymore.
The biggest issue now is that of Globalist vs Nationalist. Both have their conservative and liberal parts.
The Joe Rogan types are liberal nationalists, and folks like Liz Cheney are conservative globalists.
Once the threat of globalism is taken care of, then the liberals and conservatives can go back into their respective corners.
And what that message should be is that MAGA is neither conservative nor liberal.
Interesting view, but I don’t agree. With the Covid insanity and chaos it brought I doubt highly the party that never lets a crisis go to waste was going to believe they couldn’t win.
But more importantly there was no need to tap Biden and convince him to run if you knew you were going to lose. Sanders was already in the race and would have almost certainly won the nomination had Biden not been called up.
Sanders would have lost the general, and democrats could have knee capped a pain in their butt without lifting a finger no need to call up Biden if you believe you were going to lose
[[Once the threat of globalism is taken care of, then the liberals and conservatives can go back into their respective corners.]]
BINGO! That sums it up well. There is a massive fight right now with the radical left who has waged war on this nation, using all their col.ective power to rule in tyranny over the people. They own or control all the power, ie, the press, social media, cops, courts, fbi etc.
We saw the people fight back this election, but will it be enough to stop or cripple the efforts of the globalist and communists who are vying for control of the nation through hostile and even violent means? I hope so. Gonna take a LOT of healing and suppression of the radical left, and rino right to bring peace and prosperity back to this nation. I think the working man in all groups voted for just that. Hopefully the maga movement will remain and affect great things nationally and return the gov “To the people” (for the people, by the people) and not allow a power hungry put of control far left agenda to wrest sovereignty out of the hands of the citizens.
Yes the Trump family did an awesome job. The party itself seemed to be so much more unified. Cant wait to see the good things to come!
A great historical analogy is the Solidarity Movement in Poland.
The only thing that mattered was getting rid of the Soviet Domination of Poland, even hardcore Socialists belonged to Solidarity.
Well, I dunno, because as pres Trump rightfully pointed put, everything that liberals touch turns to $&#%.
Just look at red states that get an inf,ux of liberals- it’s not long before the once solidly conservative state turns rat- Maine being a prime example.
Perhaps a strong maga movement can include disenfranchised liberals and Republicans, but I have my doubts that it can survive as a strong conservative based, conservative ideological organization once too many “former liberals” make it in- they a,ways insist on their former policies being front and center when that happens
Well conservative and liberal are very loose terms.
It’s the Marxist ones, who don’t believe in Nations, that are mostly the ones who do the damage.
Nationalism isn’t jingoistic. It’s simply an acknowledgement that Nations are the best way to organize the diverse peoples of this planet, and that you simply cannot have incompatible peoples and cultures living under the same roof.
It really was a beautiful thing to witness and live through. Glad I got to see it. Glad I got to see liberals denouncing their own party and ,eaving beczuse of how badly they were lied to and treated. Glad I got to see record numbers of black folks, Hispanics, jews, even Muslims and Amish, vote for pres Trump-
I agree, but go back and look at the timeline in early 2020. The COVID fiasco didn't erupt on a large scale until AFTER Biden had already swept the Super Tuesday primaries.
I actually laughed out loud in 2019 when Biden emerged as a contender. If I was Donald Trump and I could select a candidate I wanted to run against in 2020, it would have been Joe Biden. If I was in charge of the DNC in 2020 and I wanted to find a strong contender, I would have picked any random white guy governor -- especially one in a "red" state -- who would have broad appeal and was 25+ years younger than Biden.
True, I shou,d be more precise when posting- there are some really strong conservatives who used to be moderate liberals at some point- im not suggesting every former liberal would be bad for the party or movement, but many of the mkre radical “former democrats” definately would be in my opinion
Sanders was never a threat to anyone, because he could always be counted on to sell out cheap. He did it in 2020 for the second time in four years. He hasn't even been serving in office as a Democrat since 2020.
Democrats will never nominate a Jewish person, and that goes double for Shapiro.
Minnesota representative Dean Phillips who actually challenged Biden in the primaries might have been the VP nominee and like J D Vance a rising star in the party.
Might want to go check the tape, when it came to the democrat primary, it was BIDEN... Sanders, and then a whole lot of also rans.
Without Biden in the race, Sanders likely would have wound up the nominee.
I think the one thing missing from your timeline is the February 2020 release of the audio of Bob Woodward's interviews with President Trump where Trump says that he held back information about COVID from the public.
I personally believe that Trump didn't "hold back;" he was aware that the Democrat primary was just kicking off and Super Tuesday was coming in just a few weeks. After having recently been impeached, I think Trump didn't want to be accused of "interfering" with the Democrat primary by the LAAP-dog media if he were to drop news about COVID-19 that the media would call "scare tactics" meant to disrupt the Democrat primaries.
I believe that the DNC strategized to take advantage of this "crisis" created by the Woodward tapes by deciding to clear the primary field and run a single candidate with the message that President Trump was going to mismanage COVID-19. Everything that followed (injecting bleach, the media body count tickers, etc.) was borne out of the Woodward tapes in February.
So, just before Super Tuesday all of the leading Democrat candidates dropped out and endorsed Joe Biden because he was the most prominent and most nationally known Democrat on the bench.
-PJ
I’m not just talking about the Democratic candidates who actually ran in the primaries. I’m referring to those who didn’t run but could have been formidable contenders. North Carolina governor Roy Cooper, for just one example, was cited here on FR as perhaps the most formidable potential contender on the Democratic side.
Even if your scenario was correct (and it probably was), the biggest question would be: If you’re a leader of the Democratic Party in 2020 and you have any interest in winning the presidency, are you really going to hitch your wagon to an old, broken-down retardate who spent 25 years demonstrating beyond any doubt that he was an awful presidential candidate?
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