Vanity: MSM Lies About Kamala Crowd Size

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[TigerClaws]

Kamala spoke at The Ellipse yesterday in D.C. Reports came out that dozens of buses brought in attendees. MSM said 75,000 people were there.

This clear shot of the crowd looks to be under 10,000 to me.

There any way (computer program?) to calculate the crowd size?

I see maybe 15 porta-potties to the size. I'd imagine they have to have one per x number of people for permits.

[MCSETots]

That would be almost four times the crowd at Madison Square Gardens.

Not a chance . . .

[rlmorel]

Spoken like a true conservative! I like the mindset...

"Hmmm. They have this many anti-aircraft missile batteries around this location..."

And because they are sticklers for this, I imagine they have to comply rigorously with every regulation when it comes to bodily functions...

I wonder how many mobile abortion trucks were there?

[rlmorel]

LOL

[mykroar]

Title 4 words too long.

[PeterPrinciple]

But the busses have crappers also. guess we could include them in the count? What do the regulations say?

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[TexasBarak]

I got the numbers wrong- still not as much as claimed. Here’s the link.

https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1851409121385595006

[Vaduz]

Don’t think it was going to swell to 70K.

Indeed it looks like the standard 8 bus loads of people that’s on tour with her.

[SunkenCiv]

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[rlmorel]

LOL, of course! You look at it like an analyst!

[rlmorel]

To me, that is a characteristic of nearly every single large Democrat-led protest. Busses. Lots of them. Paid by someone. They hand out signs as people get off the bus. Sometimes even give them a box lunch. And they tell them where to go.

I have posted this before a few times, and it examines the phenomenon that is so curiously Leftist, and so prominently un-conservative: The prevalence of identical protest signs at Leftist protests.

I have been to a significant number of demonstrations (both in my home state and in Washington D.C.) and have noticed the stark difference in the way participants on both sides express themselves through both in-demonstration behavior, and the signs carried to express their point of view.

I took the time to document it a couple of years ago as shown below. I took two pictures, one showing a large gathering of liberals, and one showing a large gathering of conservatives.

Here is an example of what the liberal protesters carry when they want to make a point. This analysis was from the Antiwar protesters at The Gathering of Eagles on March 17, 2007. What you see in this picture is absolutely, 100% TYPICAL.

Here is an example of what the conservative protesters carry when THEY want to make a point. This analysis was from the Taxpayer March on Washington on 9/12/2009. What you see in this picture is absolutely, 100% TYPICAL.

Conservatives not only show wit and originality in the content of the materials they use to express themselves, but also spend time making them both readable and legible. They take pride in their handiwork, and they can do this because they have a deeper understanding of the issue at hand.

Liberals often have mass printed signs that lack originality and wit in an attempt to ensure everyone has a sign (created by someone else) that says something that the "someone else" want them to express. When you see liberals carrying their own handmade signs, they often look like this, poorly lettered and shallow in content:

I have seen this contrast over and over again. What I have concluded from this is that while liberals may have some form of conviction about a subject, it is because they want to believe something they have been told without thinking it through. Most of them have an "understanding" of an issue that is a foot wide and a fraction of an inch deep. They will doggedly stay within that framework regardless of facts and logic, and their expression of that viewpoint in their signs and banners illustrates a lack of depth, understanding and originality.

In the example above, I did not at the time wonder about Greyhound type buses everywhere (NOT yellow school buses) but when I saw this in action, people disgorging from buses and being handed signs, it all made sense.

Totally astroturfed (manufactured) crowds of protestors. Many, I am sure, from High Schools where the kids get actual credit for going to the "Protest".

[libertylover]

Does it matter? Trump crowd vs Biden crowd in 2020, what were the results?

That's one way to strongly suspect that cheating took place.

[BigFreakinToad]

completely missed the “honeypot” story.

[rlmorel]

Back in 2010 (I think) I had gone to Washington DC to participate in the "Taxpayer March on Washington" (Tea Party oriented/organized) and it was huge. We were there. And when we came up Constitution Avenue (I think) it was blocked off, and the crowd stretched back for a long way. Later, we were able to see video footage from surveillance cameras set up on the top of buildings, and you could see how massive the crowd was.

This is a composite image, with the top picture a panoramic, not altered, that someone sent to me. This is a good representation of the size of the crowd that day. Look at the crowds of people on either side of the Reflecting Pond extending all the way back to the Lincoln Memorial, and also note the crowds to both the left and the right of the trees on the walkways, also all the way back. And if you look at the Left hand and right hand pictures on the bottom, you see what the surveillance cameras saw as we marched to the Capitol Building.

Here is one view, I think on Constitution Avenue marching towards the Capitol Building.

A very good sign by one of the protestors...

Here is one of Freeper Trooprally (whom I regard highly as a real Patriot) from behind, holding the long flagpole with the Stars and Stripes and the Gadsden Flag held high as we approached the Capitol Building

Here we are in front of the Capitol Building.

And this one, because I haven't stumbled across it in a few years, and made me remember why I liked it and took the image originally!

So, there were probably at least 10 of us, and after the protest, we ended up back at the house of the TroopRally's back in Rock Creek, MD, and were watching the news.

To our astonishment at the brazen lying and deceit of the networks, they coned down the shots as to not show the crowd size, and said it was between 10-15 thousand Tea Party protesters. It was pretty sad, but for me, it was the first firsthand evidence of it for me where I didn't have to depend on someone else saying the networks were lying. I saw what they did myself...we were all there.

I miss that crowd, the DC Chapter of Free Republic, who let me be an honorary member. A bunch of Patriots they were.

[SunkenCiv]

The only reason I’d have seen it is right here on FR. :^)

[PeterPrinciple]

https://www.washingtonian.com/2024/10/29/kamala-harriss-dc-rally-now-expects-twice-as-many-people/

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original permit was 20,000. Then the fake news began.

[philippa]

Interesting. Thank you for the first hand report. The MSM lie routinely about crowd size and so much else

[rlmorel]

When I saw that with my own eyes, it somewhat dejected me, which was odd, because it wasn’t that I knew they did things like this. It wasn’t because I didn’t believe they do what they do, but when you see it personally, it really hits home.

Kind of like what it might be like if you had a person you admired, and you find that not only they lied about something, but they liked directly to you on something you knew full well was false.

It is disconcerting...in this case, not unexpected though.

Just this morning, I got up and walked by our television, and my wife was watching the national news. I don’t watch television, and haven’t for going on thirty years now...never had cable, either. But my wife does.

So I walk by and note what is on the television, and I do this all the time, so I keep an eye on what they are obsessing about.

This morning, the chyron across the bottom says in gigantic red letters on a white background (appropriate) “ABORTION ON THE BALLOT”.

A few minutes later, I walk by again and glance, and it still said “ABORTION ON THE BALLOT”. And a few minutes later, same thing.

What I get from that is that the network is doing everything they can to pull Kamala Harris across the finish line. Again, not a surprise. Nothing new. But it is just more evidence.

I agree with Dan Bongino when he says “If you think you hate the media, I am here to tell you that you don’t hate them enough.”

[PUGACHEV]

My experience in the ‘60s-’70s taught me that a crowd which fills up the Mall all the way from 3rd St. to 14th St. at the Washington Monument with moderate density is approximately 200,000. The crowd in your picture looks smaller than that.

[rlmorel]

Sure...and my group watching that news broadcast a couple of hours after we got home have no training in this kind of thing, but we estimated it had to be between 100,000 and 200,000, the wide range being due to our confessed unfamiliarity with the estimating techniques.

But it damn sure wasn’t 10,000 people.

[BigFreakinToad]

Yeah, I remember the media downplaying that protest. Also like those shirts