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Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine (2 year anniversary)
ORYX ^ | Since February 24, 2022 and daily | ORYX

Posted on 02/24/2024 5:59:01 AM PST by SpeedyInTexas

This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Loitering munitions, drones used as unmanned bait, civilian vehicles and derelict equipment are not included in this list. All possible effort has gone into avoiding duplicate entries and discerning the status of equipment between captured or abandoned. Many of the entries listed as 'abandoned' will likely end up captured or destroyed. Similarly, some of the captured equipment might be destroyed if it can't be recovered. When a vehicle is captured and then lost in service with its new owners, it is only added as a loss of the original operator to avoid double listings. When the origin of a piece of equipment can't be established, it's not included in the list. The Soviet flag is used when the equipment in question was produced prior to 1991. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.

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Well worth revisiting

"That's like saying I've got a $5000 credit card balance, but because my income has gone up 20%, I'm okay.
What a stupid and naive comment.
That increase in income does not change the fact that I have a $5000 balance.
Get real, Pretzel man!"

You know perfectly well that a $5,000 credit card balance is one thing to a person who earns, say, $10,000 per year, and something very different to someone making $1 million per year.
A country's debt to GDP ratio is the same as an individual's debt to income ratio.
It's how our financial system works!

icclearly: "Who said we had to stop eating or shut down military spending?
If you're fat, you stop eating as much.
Get it?
If you're spending trillions on the military, you reduce your spending.
Especially when that military is bloated and totally ineffective!
That's not too hard to understand, is it?
Maybe for you it is, Mr. Warmonger."

First, Peace through Strength is not "warmongering", but military weakness does invite aggression by bad actors and so clearly, advocating for weakness is a form of warmongering.

Second, did I finally force you to confess that the US does need a powerful military to deter aggression and, if necessary, to defeat our enemies?

If so, then it only becomes a matter of deciding who, exactly, should decide on how much national defense is enough?
Should it be those who hate the United States and want to see us defeated wherever possible -- people like icclearly -- or should it be people who love our country, put Americans first and want to Make America Great Again?

I'd suggest it's the second group, not the first, and that the first should be excluded from all discussions on the matter.

icclearly: "China's economy is equal to ours in terms of purchasing power parity.
Check out the last quarterly growth for the US vs China if you doubt it.
Better yet, compare the last 25 years, Mr. GDP man.
And they've gone from one of the poorest countries on the planet to a global power in less than 50 years.
Quite an accomplishment."

Some of that is true enough, but much is also fake numbers from the Chinese Communists, more intended to impress and intimidate than to inform the world of what is actually going on inside CCP China.

And all of those accomplishments are the direct consequence of running massive trade surpluses with the US, and many other countries, totaling roughly $1 trillion per year.
Those surpluses have now ended forever, and China will sink back into whatever Communistic h*llhole they crawled up out of since the 1990s.

icclearly: "Our position as the world's leading economy and currency is declining and will continue to do so with the advent of groups like BRICS"

  1. The US economy, especially under Pres. Trump, is now growing faster than either China or the European Union, so, far from declining, we are now gaining on the world economically.

  2. The US dollar remains at levels higher than seen since 2003 and under Pres. Trump rose 8% before his tariff negotiations began.
    Even today, the US dollar holds up at the same relative level it was in 1973.

  3. BRICS is a non-entity without China, and China is now declining rapidly.

  4. Even with China, other BRICS members like India & Brazil, plus associate countries like Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Egypt -- all are very friendly with, even partners & allied to, the USA.

  5. BRICS cannot be a financial threat to the US, Pres. Trump has already made certain of that.
icclearly: "-We've gone around the world attacking and losing (or not winning) in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine."

How the US loses wars: 1960s & 1975

  1. In no case did the US "attack" anyone.
    In every case the US responded to aggression from Russian, Chinese, North Korean and/or Iranian backed forces.

  2. In every case, the US military did the job it was sent to do, and defeated the aggressor it was told to defeat.

  3. In some cases, US political leadership failed the military and Americans generally, most often as a direct result of arguments such as those presented here by posters like icclearly.
icclearly: "-We can't win even as we attack countries that are 50% to 60% smaller than we are.
Not only do we waste big bucks but think of the humanity we've destroyed -- including much of our own blood."

We don't chose our enemies, they chose where to attack our friends and vital interests.
As for relative sizes, the US is:

  1. 15 times larger than Afghanistan
  2. 15 times larger than Ukraine
  3. 21 times larger than Iraq
  4. 30 times larger than Vietnam
  5. 43 times larger than all of Korea
However, in every war since WWII, the US military fought with its arms tied behind its back and often without clear objectives, goals or plans for victory.
In the end, our political leadership has always settled for less than total victory.
However, in every single case, US interests are better protected now than they were before the war started.

As for your alleged "humanity we've destroyed" -- over the years, US weapons have grown increasingly precise, reducing "collateral damage" to absolute minimums.
At the same time, our enemies have grown increasingly diabolical in their efforts to hide their forces within or under civilian structures like hospitals & schools, thus using their own populations as human shields.

Regardless, the vast majority (90%+) of civilian deaths in any US war were caused by enemy actions, not American controlled weapons.

icclearly: "We've had our day in the sun like the Greeks, Romans, Britain (sun never sets on British empire -- until it stops), and so many others."

Pres. Trump calls this our Golden Age, which tells me he does not intend for the sun to set on America's allies & friends around the world.
What he does intend is to rebalance our economy, to restore the preeminence of our manufacturing sector, and to rebuild our military to dominate the world by Peace Through Strength.

icclearly: "We can no longer bully the rest of the world, 'cause they're going to fight back and we're broke and can't keep up the race any longer.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?"

The US has never "bullied" the world, but we have defended our allies & friends when they were invaded or attacked by the world's dictators & bullies -- Russia, China, NoKo & Iran, to name a few.
As for "broke", the US can always afford whatever national defense is truly necessary, if we deprioritize government waste, fraud, abuse and other such nonsense.

icclearly: "Keep your head in the sand, Mr. Pretzel man.
I'm sure it'll work out fine -- NOT!"

Says our head-in-the-sand "America Laster", icclearly.

1920 British Empire,
2025 US allies & friends (green & some blue, though not 100% accurate):

16,281 posted on 05/28/2025 9:18:39 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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As per your request, the top five reasons why America should avoid a Ukraine intervention are as follows:

1) Avoid Escalation with Russia: U.S. involvement risks direct confrontation with a nuclear-armed Russia, potentially leading to a broader, catastrophic conflict.

2) Preserve Resources: The U.S. has spent billions on Ukraine aid, diverting funds from domestic priorities like infrastructure, healthcare, and education.

3) Sovereignty and Self-Determination: Ukraine should resolve its conflicts independently, as foreign intervention often complicates local dynamics and prolongs wars.

4) Historical Precedent: U.S. interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya have often led to instability, suggesting limited success in nation-building or proxy wars.

5) Focus on Domestic Security: Staying out allows the U.S. to address pressing internal issues like border security, economic challenges, and political division.

16,282 posted on 05/28/2025 9:33:22 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: AdmSmith

Russia is unlikely to totally zero out its National Wealth Fund, but rather to shift to other methods of covering its budget shortfall (simply printing rubles, as they cannot borrow enough), before the NWF hits zero. Looks like we are entering that phase now, which will induce more inflation into the Russian economy, and devalue the ruble further. The National Wealth Fund can no longer buffer the Russian Government from oil price shocks, or declining oil export revenue - the stage is being set for a takedown. Oil revenue is the only thing preventing hyperinflationary money printing - the last leg under Russian finances and their economy.

OilPrice.com reports today:

“Russia could consider adjusting the oil price level in its so-called budget rule amid falling oil prices, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said on Wednesday.

Under the budget rule, Russia has a baseline price of $60 per barrel of oil, above which it funnels excess revenue to its National Wealth Fund, a rainy-day reserves fund. However, when the price is below $60 per barrel – as Russia’s crude grades have been for two months now – Russia taps into the fund to offset shortfalls in revenue from oil and gas exports.

Changing the so-called cut-off price for the budget rule would signal a U-turn in Russia’s fiscal policy amid significantly lower oil prices compared to the first quarter of 2025.

“We need to think about whether, when preparing the new budget for the medium term, we should review the cut-off price level, the baseline price of $60 per barrel, to what extent it currently corresponds to the levels that allow us to ensure not only the preservation but also the replenishment of the National Wealth Fund,” Russian news agency Interfax quoted Siluanov as telling lawmakers today.

“We will discuss both the baseline price and the replenishment of the National Wealth Fund, as all of this is linked to the overall budget balance,” the minister added.”


16,283 posted on 05/28/2025 9:45:19 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: PIF
Ahead of Zelensky’s visit, Rheinmetall showcased ammunition production for Ukraine at its Unterlüß plant, one of Europe’s largest defense manufacturing hubs. The facility produces artillery shells, tank rounds, air defense ammo for Gepard, and barrels for Leopard tanks and Panzerhaubitze 2000.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1927661548845096963


16,284 posted on 05/28/2025 9:48:00 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

I heard a good one today:

Russia is considering hitting targets in Berlin - Russia Today”

Got a good belly laugh out of that one.

I wonder how many hours the Russian Air Force would continue to exist as a viable force after triggering NATO’s Article 5.

Less than 100, I’d wager.

A total Naval blockade of St.Petersburg and Kaliningrad would not improve their situation either. Nor would the sudden complete sanctions on any country supplying Russia.

The Trillion dollar American Defense appropriation will be hitting the ground soon, and Russia would be foolish to demand that they be on the receiving end of all of that.


16,285 posted on 05/28/2025 9:56:38 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
“Putin is a legitimate military target”

Not true and assassination is a criminal activity. Look at DJT in Butler, PA last July. Please stop this kind of talk.

16,286 posted on 05/28/2025 9:57:33 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: PIF

“In anticipation of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, which will be held from June 18 to 21, the military received orders to ensure the stable operation of airports in the Leningrad Region.

“SPIEF is a serious event, where many high-status guests will arrive.””

Rumor has it the Education Minister of Burkina Faso may attend again, as he has such fond memories of the prostitute provided last year, as well as his cash bribe.


16,287 posted on 05/28/2025 10:04:09 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/assassination-law-of-war/

Assassination Law of War

Few lawyers better appreciated the importance of terminological precision than my late friend and law of war colleague, Hays Parks. Over three decades ago, he turned his attention to assassination. This post builds on his work by elaborating on the precise meaning of assassination in the context of armed conflict. In doing so, it identifies definitional elements that emphasize the traditional association of assassination with prohibited practices of wartime treachery and outlawry.

Background

In 1977, following revelations of U.S. lethal targeting operations and ensuing Church (Senate) and the Pike (House) Committee hearings, President Gerald Ford issued Executive Order 11,905. The order prohibited Executive Branch personnel from engaging in, or conspiring to engage in, political assassination. Subsequent administrations continued the ban. Four years later, President Regan issued Executive Order 12,333, which, as amended, remains in effect today. It contains the same prohibition, although it limits application to individuals “acting on behalf of” the U.S. government.

The issue of assassination surfaced again in 1989 as the Judge Advocate General’s International Affairs Division was rewriting the 1956 Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare, a project completed in 2019. As part of that effort, Hays Parks, who was then the Chief of the Division’s International Law Branch, wrote a memo of law examining the E.O.’s assassination prohibition from the perspective of both peacetime law and the law of war (Hays’s preferred term for the latter body of law).

His memo, published in the Army Lawyer, became a classic in the field, in part because of its timing. In just over a year, the United States would be at war with Iraq, a conflict during which the issue of assassination occupied center stage. Once the war began in January 1991, the United States launched over 250 missions against sites where Saddam Hussein was believed to be hiding. Yet, when Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michal Dugan had suggested in September 1990 that because Saddam is “a one-man show” in Iraq, “he ought to be at the focus of our efforts,” Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney promptly fired him.

The issue of so-called assassination during armed conflict has not faded with time. The “targeted killing” debates have addressed a panoply of issues that range from conflict classification and the geography of war to conduct of hostilities rules and the interplay between the law of war and human rights law. And then there are headline attacks such as the September 2021 Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh and the U.S. airstrike on Iranian Revolutionary Guard Major General Qasem Soleimani in January 2020 (here and here). Despite frequent characterization of such operations as assassination, the term is in fact a legal term of art in both the law of peace and the law of war. In the law of war, the concept of assassination is far narrower than its popular usage might suggest, a point Hays explained thoroughly in his memo.

The Early Law of War

The law of war has long countenanced killing the enemy, including enemy leaders, away from the battlefield. For instance, in the 13th century, Saint Thomas Aquinas argued that killing the enemy sovereign was justified when in the common good, while three centuries later Sir Thomas More asserted that “great rewards” awaited those who killed the “enemy prince” during war (Utopia). And in the 17th century, Hugo Grotius, often considered the father of modern international law, observed in On the Law of War and Peace, his classic work in the field, that “Not merely by the law of nature but also by the law of nations … it is in fact permissible to kill an enemy in any place whatsoever; and it does not matter how many there are that do the deed, or who suffer.”

But the right to kill one’s enemy during war was not considered wholly unregulated. During the 16th century, Balthazar Ayala agreed with Saint Augustine’s contention that it “is indifferent from the standpoint of justice whether trickery be used” in killing the enemy, but then distinguished trickery from “fraud and snares” (The Law and Duties of War and Military Discipline). Similarly, Alberico Gentili, writing in the next century, found treachery “so contrary to the law of God and of Nature, that although I may kill a man, I may not do so by treachery.” He warned that treacherous killing would invite reprisal (Three Books on the Law of War). And Hugo Grotius likewise explained that “a distinction must be made between assassins who violate an express or tacit obligation of good faith, as subjects resorting to violence against a king, vassals against a lord, soldiers against him whom they serve, those also who have been received as suppliants or strangers or deserters, against those who have received them; and such as are held by no bond of good faith” (On the Law of War and Peace).

By the 18th century, the element of treachery was firmly entrenched as the key to distinguishing assassination from lawful killing during war. Illustrative was Emmerich de Vattel’s clarification in The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law.

But in order to reason clearly on this question we must first of all avoid confusing assassination with surprises, which are, doubtless, perfectly lawful in warfare. When a resolute soldier steals into the enemy’s camp at night and makes his way to the general’s tent and stabs him, he does nothing contrary to the natural laws of war, nothing, indeed, but what is commendable in a just and necessary war….

Hence I mean by assassination a murder committed by means of treachery, whether the deed be done by persons who are subjects of him who is assassinated, or of his sovereign, and who are therefore traitors, or whether it be done by any other agent who makes his way in as a suppliant or refugee, or as a turncoat, or even as an alien; and I assert that the deed is a shameful and revolting one, both on the part of him who executes and of him who commands it.

Thus, as the modern law of war emerged in the mid-19th century, the concept of assassination was already well-formed. It was lawful to kill an enemy beyond the battlefield or by employing stealth or trickery, but not lawful to use treachery to do so. Treachery comprised a breach of confidence by the attacker in a situation where the victim had reason to trust that attacker. In that sense, it foreshadowed the distinction between ruses and perfidy that would appear in 20th-century treaties and customary law of war.

The Modern Law of War

The first formal State codification of the ban on assassination appeared in the 1863 Lieber Code, issued by President Lincoln as General Order 100. Article 148, titled “Assassination,” provided:

The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.

Although the term treachery did not feature in the article, the sense that certain acts violate the law of war principle of chivalry, which is reflected in the work of the earlier scholars, was clear. In Article 101 of the Code, however, the term did appear, demonstrating its centrality to how war was not to be fought: “While deception in war is admitted as a just and necessary means of hostility, and is consistent with honorable warfare, the common law of war allows even capital punishment for clandestine or treacherous attempts to injure an enemy, because they are so dangerous, and it is difficult to guard against them.” In subsequent national and international codification efforts, treachery assumed a place of prominence in the treatment of assassination, as it had historically.

The Lieber Code sparked other codification projects, particularly in Europe. In 1874, Czar Alexander II of Russia convened an international conference to draft a law of war convention. Although the resulting Brussels Declaration was never ratified, its Article 13 provided, “murder by treachery of individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army” was “especially forbidden.” The Declaration influenced the next major codification attempt, the Institute of International Law’s 1880 Oxford Manual, Article 8 of which outlawed any “treacherous attempt on the life of an enemy; as for example keeping assassins in pay or by feigning surrender.”

These documents served as the basis for drafting the 1899 Hague Convention (II) with Respect to the Laws and Customs of War, in which the ban on treacherous killing finally appeared in binding treaty form. Article 23(b) of its annexed Regulations observed that “it is especially prohibited … to kill or wound treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army.” The article also banned denying quarter and attacking a member of the enemy forces who is hors de combat. A second Hague Peace Conference in 1907 slightly revised that instrument, although Article 23(b) survived unchanged in the Regulations annexed to its Hague Convention IV.

Following World War II, the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg found that “[t]he rules of land warfare expressed in the Convention undoubtedly represented an advance over existing International Law at the time of their adoption …, but by 1939 these rules … were recognized by all civilized nations and were regarded as being declaratory of the laws and customs of war.” The International Military Tribunal for the Far East and the International Court of Justice (Nuclear Weapons Advisory Opinion), among other authoritative bodies and eminent scholars, have also validated the customary law character of the Hague IV Regulations rules, and therefore the prohibition on treacherous killing. As such, the rule binds all States today.

The most recent comprehensive treaty governing the conduct of hostilities is the 1977 Protocol Additional (I) to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts. Additional Protocol I’s Article 37 styles acts during an armed conflict that were previously labeled assassination as “perfidy.” The article confirms again that the essence of the prohibition is treachery, not mere deception or trickery.

1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy:

(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;

(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;

(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and

(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.

2. Ruses of war are not prohibited. Such ruses are acts which are intended to mislead an adversary or to induce him to act recklessly but which infringe no rule of international law applicable in armed conflict and which are not perfidious because they do not invite the confidence of an adversary with respect to protection under that law. The following are examples of such ruses: the use of camouflage, decoys, mock operations and misinformation.

The ICRC’s Commentary to Article 37 emphasizes that Article 23(b) of the Hague Regulations “has survived in its entirety” and that replacement of the reference to treachery with perfidy occurred because the term “trahison” in the French text was “too restricted in its meaning.” Therefore, the drafters preferred the term “perfidie” as more reflective of their intent. Rule 65 of the ICRC’s Customary International Humanitarian Law study characterizes the perfidy prohibition as customary in character, and therefore binding on all States irrespective of Additional Protocol I Party status. In doing so, it is on firm ground.

Finally, the Statute of the International Criminal Court includes “[k]illing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army” in international armed conflict, as well as “[k]illing or wounding treacherously a combatant adversary” in non-international armed conflict, a war crime [Articles 8(2)(b)(xi) and 8(2)(e)(ix), respectively]. Thus, the Statute’s drafters reverted to the language of the 1907 Hague IV Regulations and concluded that the prohibition applied in all armed conflicts.

U.S. Treatment

While the United States is not a Party to Additional Protocol I, with one exception (the reference to “capture”), it accepts Article 37 as reflective of customary law. Indeed, well before the adoption of Additional Protocol I, the Army’s 1956 Field Manual 27-10, the Law of Land Warfare acknowledged the customary status of the assassination prohibition. Referring directly to Article 23(b) in a section titled “Assassination and Outlawry,” the manual observed, “This article is construed as prohibiting assassination, proscription, or outlawry of an enemy, or putting a price upon an enemy’s head, as well as offering a reward for an enemy ‘dead or alive’. It does not, however, preclude attacks on individual soldiers or officers of the enemy whether in the zone of hostilities, occupied territory, or elsewhere.”

The provision’s title distinguishes assassination from outlawry, suggesting a difference between the two. Yet, the Lieber Code described assassination in terms of outlawry. Additionally, a footnote to the Additional Protocol I commentary on Article 37 notes that Morris Greenspan, in his classic 1960 work, The Modern Law of Land Warfare, interpreted Hague Regulations Article 23(b) as prohibiting

assassination, recruitment of hired killers, placing a price on the head of an adversary, or the offer of a reward for his capture ‘dead or alive’; proscription and outlawry of an enemy, treacherous request of quarter, and the treacherous simulation of death, wound or sickness, or pretended surrender, for the purpose of putting the enemy off his guard and then attacking him.

This would suggest that assassination can include both treacherous acts like perfidy and outlawry, such as placing a price on an enemy’s head.

Contemporary U.S. manuals are in accord with FM 27-10. For example, the 2016 Department of Defense Law of War Manual provides in section 5.22 that “[d]uring international armed conflict, it is prohibited to kill or wound the enemy by resort to perfidy,” noting that the terms treachery and perfidy have been used interchangeably. Citing Article 37 of Additional Protocol I as support, it defines perfidy (and thus treachery) as “acts that invite the confidence of enemy persons to lead them to believe that they are entitled to, or are obliged to accord, protection under the law of war, with intent to betray that confidence.” As further indication that perfidy is tied to the notion of assassination (killing), the manual limits the prohibition to acts designed to kill or wound the enemy.

An interesting footnote in the Law of War Manual dealing with parlementaires (persons communicating with the enemy) illustrates the longstanding centrality of treachery in the prohibition. It reproduces an extract from an 1873 Opinion of the Attorney General to make that point: “According to the laws of war there is nothing more sacred than a flag of truce dispatched in good faith, and there can be no greater act of perfidy and treachery than the assassination of its bearers after they have been acknowledged and received by those to whom they are sent.”

The Army and Marine Corps’ 2019 manual, The Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Land Warfare (FM 6-27/MCTP 11-10CH), adopts the same approach. It explains that “[p]erfidy involves specific requirements: a killing or wounding of the enemy; the intent (mens rea) to act treacherously (i.e., the intent to kill or wound) (H.R. art. 23(b)); an entitlement or obligation under LOAC; and a nexus in time (that is, immediate tactical advantage) between the treacherous action and the killing or wounding.” The manual provides numerous examples, including “Soldiers and Marines in civilian clothing may resist an attack so long as they do not kill or wound treacherously, such as by deliberately seeking to feign civilian status or other protected status while fighting.”

Both the DoD and Army Manuals also prohibit placing a price on the enemy’s head (Section § 5.26.3.1 and ¶ 2-186, respectively).

Conclusions

Assassination during wartime denotes (1) the treacherous, (2) wounding or killing, of (3) individual adversaries, in other words, perfidious attacks. Although the two terms often appear in the disjunctive, it is also reasonable to include outlawry, such as putting a price on the enemy’s head, within the scope of the definition assassination, as was done in the Lieber Code and suggested by Greenspan. The United Kingdom’s 1958 Military Manual took this position, and correctly so in my estimation: “In view of the prohibition of assassination, the proscription or outlawing or the putting of a price on the head of an enemy individual or any offer for an enemy ‘dead or alive’ is forbidden.” Similarly, Australia’s 2006 Law of Armed Conflict Manual section titled “Assassination” notes, “it is prohibited to put a price on the head of an enemy individual. Any offer for an enemy ‘dead or alive’ is forbidden.”

Military manuals have occasionally suggested that assassination is limited to non-combatants or requires a particular mens rea. For example, the Australian manual provides, “Assassination is the sudden or secret killing by treacherous means of an individual who is not a combatant, by premeditated assault, for political or religious reasons.” Similarly, the 2001 Canadian Law of Armed Conflict Manual states, “Assassination means the killing or wounding of a selected non-combatant for a political or religious motive.”

However, the historical intent of the prohibition during armed conflict was to encompass the treacherous killing of the enemy, not just non-combatants. This is clear from the Hague Regulations’ Article 23(b)’s reference to “individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army,” which would include civilians and members of the armed forces. Additionally, the prohibition of assassination contains no mens rea requirement beyond an intent to betray a confidence or to encourage others to kill the individual(s) by placing a price on their head.

Finally, it must be cautioned that the definition of assassination and its prohibition during armed conflict differ significantly from the concept and prohibition in peacetime, a subject I have examined elsewhere. The killing of an individual must be attributable to a State, have political overtones, and evidence transnational character to amount to unlawful peacetime assassination. An example was the 2017 murder of Kim Jong-un’s half-brother, Kim Jong-nam, using the nerve agent VX in the Kuala Lumpur airport.

This distinction raises the sometimes-complex issue of whether the situation under consideration is one of armed conflict to which the law of war applies or falls short of that threshold and therefore is subject to the law bearing on peacetime assassination, including international human rights and domestic law. An interesting case in this regard, analysis of which is beyond the scope of this article, is the Soleimani airstrike mentioned earlier. But once the conflict classification analysis concludes an armed conflict is underway, the prohibition on assassination in its current law of war form comes into play.

Hays Parks’ critical point in his prescient 1989 memo is that “assassination” is a legal term of art that takes on different meanings depending on whether it is used in the context of peace or war. Unfortunately, as no one understood better than Hays, that point is too often missed in contemporary commentary and analysis.​

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16,288 posted on 05/28/2025 10:10:24 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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It’s Not true that it’s Not true.

Putin is a legitimate Military target.

Commanders at all levels are.

Probably none deserve it more than him, however.


16,289 posted on 05/28/2025 10:10:47 AM PDT by BeauBo
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You’re arguing with West point, this after arguing with AI last night. Stop talking assassination. It’s not good for the forum.


16,290 posted on 05/28/2025 10:16:18 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: BeauBo
✈️💥 Ukrainian aviation destroyed an enemy command post in temporarily occupied Bakhmut, - Soniashnyk

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1927760253065580892


16,291 posted on 05/28/2025 10:24:10 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: JonPreston

Facts are stubborn things.

Putin is a legitimate Military target.

Military Commander during open hostilities - biggest war of this century actually.


16,292 posted on 05/28/2025 10:48:35 AM PDT by BeauBo
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‼️ The first batch of long-range weapons funded by Germany and produced in Ukraine could be ready within weeks, according to the German Defense Ministry.

The systems are domestically made, already in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and require no additional training. Mass production is expected to begin in 2025.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1927781899746861228

Long range Neptune?

16,293 posted on 05/28/2025 11:13:23 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: BeauBo; blitz128; PIF; All
Putin is a Military target.

Do us a favor and stop talking this dangerous nonsense

https://www.justsecurity.org/27407/assassination-ban-targeted-killings/

Just Security

The Assassination Ban and Targeted Killings

In public speeches, administration officials have criticized the use of the word “assassination” to characterize targeted killings carried out by the United States. The administration’s theory (or part of it, anyway) seems to be that targeted killings can’t be assassinations because assassinations are unlawful killings — and the US’s targeted killings, in the administration’s view, are lawful. In response to litigation, the administration has released legal memos that spell out this seemingly circular argument in more detail. The relevant portions of the memos, however, are heavily redacted. Below, I try to piece together what we know, and I discuss what we might learn soon.

The assassination ban was put into place after the issuance of the 1975 Church Committee Interim Report which summed up the Committee’s investigation of, among other things, US-backed assassination plots against foreign leaders. The report concluded that the CIA had attempted to assassinate the leaders of Cuba and the Congo, and that it had aided assassination plots in the Dominican Republic, Chile, and Vietnam. Noting that “[a]dministrations change, CIA directors change, and someday in the future what was tried in the past may once again become a temptation,” the report recommended that Congress ban assassination. Concerned that Congress might do so, President Ford issued Executive Order 11905 which included this language: “No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.” Subsequent orders by Presidents Carter and Reagan reaffirmed the ban, albeit with modifications. The current version of the ban, in Executive Order 12333, states: “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.”

The language of the ban is simple enough but its meaning has long been contested, mainly because the term “assassination” is nowhere defined. Is the ban limited to peacetime killings of public officials or leaders? Is it limited to “political” killings — and, if so, what killings are properly termed “political”? Does the ban proscribe killings carried out in defense of the nation? Can one reasonably interpret the ban merely to incorporate or reaffirm prohibitions that are stated elsewhere in domestic or international law, as a 1989 Department of Army memorandum (known as the Parks Memo) suggests? If one interprets the ban this way, is it fair to call it a “ban” at all?

Every administration since President Ford’s seems to have considered the assassination ban’s scope and meaning. Bob Woodward and Walter Pincus reported in 1988 that President Reagan issued four directives relating to the assassination ban over a period of 18 months. The first, issued in November 1984, was designed to circumvent the assassination ban by preemptively declaring “lawful” any actions that were undertaken “in good faith and as part of an approved operation.” Dubbed a “license to kill” by Woodward’s sources, the November 1984 authorization may have led to an attempt to kill Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, who the Reagan administration suspected of having ties to Hezbollah — an attempt that left Fadlallah unscathed but killed 80 bystanders. President Reagan rescinded the “good faith” language in April 1985 but reinstated it less than six months later, after the hijacking of TWA flight 847. The congressional committees charged with overseeing covert activities then forced the administration into retreat once again and the administration removed the “good faith” language for a second time in the spring of 1986.

The 9/11 Commission Report indicates that President Clinton issued multiple directives relating to the assassination ban in connection with the proposed or actual use of force against Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. One directive reportedly stated that lethal force could be used only in self-defense, and only in the context of a capture operation. Another, however, reportedly took a far broader view of presidential power, concluding that

recent presidents—from Reagan in Libya to Bush in Iraq—had been needlessly cautious in ordering broad attacks against enemy headquarters if their real objective was to kill an individual leader. Because executive orders are entirely at the discretion of the president … a president may issue contrary directives at will and need not make public that he has done so. Under customary international law and Article 51 of the U.N. Charter, according to those familiar with the memo, taking the life of a terrorist to preempt an imminent or continuing threat of attack is analogous to self-defense against conventional attack.

The Obama administration has interpreted the assassination ban, too. Recently, the New York Times reported that the Obama administration produced five legal memos in anticipation of the May 2011 raid on the bin Laden compound in Pakistan. The New York Times report does not mention the assassination ban specifically, but it is a safe bet that lawyers charged with developing “rationales intended to overcome any legal obstacle” took the ban into account.

Unfortunately, all of these analyses of the assassination ban are secret. As a result, we know little about how the Obama administration interprets the assassination ban, let alone how its interpretation differs from those of previous administrations. We also lack the information we need to evaluate the significance of the Obama administration’s assurances that targeted killings aren’t assassinations.

It’s possible, though, that we will learn more in the coming weeks. An ACLU Freedom of Information Act suit pending before the Second Circuit challenges the withholding of two Office of Legal Counsel memos that we know address the assassination ban. One of them is a March 2002 memo that the government acknowledges “provid[ed] advice concerning the assassination ban.” The other is a February 2010 memo that concluded that the assassination ban posed no obstacle to the use of lethal force against American citizen Anwar al-Aulaqi, who was killed in a drone strike the next year. The government released a version of that opinion to the ACLU last year, but the sections that address the assassination ban were redacted.

Of course we don’t know whether the Court will order the government to release either of these documents. The discussion at oral argument, however — and the transcript of an unusual ex parte hearing held with the government — suggest that at least one judge was troubled by the withholding of certain portions of the 2002 memo. Last week, the Court filed a sealed ruling addressing these records. (The Court sealed its ruling to give the government an opportunity to seek further review.) Let’s hope that the Court requires the disclosure of at least some of the withheld analysis.

It has been more than five years since the ACLU commenced its FOIA litigation, and more than two years since President Obama pledged to make the program “more transparent to the American people and the world.” A public accounting of the administration’s view of the assassination ban is long overdue.


16,294 posted on 05/28/2025 12:14:28 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,295 posted on 05/28/2025 12:16:28 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,296 posted on 05/28/2025 12:16:49 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,297 posted on 05/28/2025 12:17:10 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,298 posted on 05/28/2025 12:17:32 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,299 posted on 05/28/2025 12:17:52 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16,300 posted on 05/28/2025 12:18:13 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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