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To: BroJoeK
Notice that 10 miles east means to be outside South Carolina's "sovereign territorial waters".

Apparently by accident, you stated something that is true. Are there any other states that have sovereign territorial waters in the Atlantic ocean?

As for United States territorial waters, they extend twelve miles off shore.

And, yet again, the important point about Fort Pickens is that Jefferson Davis had already ordered CSA Gen. Bragg to assault and take the fort when he was ready.

The important point is your quoted material contains no order to assault or take Fort Pickens, and Bragg made no such assault.

Those orders to Fox were written to say reinforce Ft. Sumter, if necessary.

Your personal imaginary addition to the actual orders is not appreciated.

April 4, 1861
To: Lieut. Col. H.L. Scott, Aide de Camp

This will be handed to you by Captain G.V. Fox, an ex-officer of the Navy. He is charged by authority here, with the command of an expedition (under cover of certain ships of war) whose object is, to reinforce Fort Sumter.

To embark with Captain Fox, you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about 200, to be immediately organized at fort Columbus, with competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence, with other necessaries needed for the augmented garrison at Fort Sumter.

Signed: Winfield Scott

The below lie was transmitted to South Carolina Governor Pickens by Robert S. Chew of the State Department:

O.R. Series 1, Vol. 1, Part 1, page 291

APRIL 8, 1861.

"I am directed by the President of the United States to notify you to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only, and that if such attempt be not resisted no effort to throw in men, arms, or ammunition will be made without further notice, or in case of an attack upon the fort."

The above was communicated to us on the evening of April 8 by Robert S. Chew, esq., of the State Department in Washington, and Captain Talbot stated that it was from the President of the United States, as did Mr. Chew, and was delivered to him on the 6th instant at Washington, and this was read in their presence and admitted.

F. W. PICKENS.

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As documented by Official Records, Lincoln's special messenger, Mr. Robert S. Chew of the State Dept., delivered Lincoln's lie on April 8, 1861.

As documented by Official Records, military orders had already been issued to reinforce Fort Sumter (and Pickens).

The message delivered by Mr. Chew was a documented lie. Lincoln subsequently repeated that to Congress.

Lincoln 4 Jul 1861 special message to Congress p>

It is thus seen that the assault upon, and reduction of, Fort Sumter, was, in no sense, a matter of self defence on the part of the assailants. They well knew that the garrison in the Fort could, by no possibility, commit aggression upon them. They knew—they were expressly notified—that the giving of bread to the few brave and hungry men of the garrison, was all which would on that occasion be attempted, unless themselves, by resisting so much, should provoke more.

Below are the rather elaborate plans to deliver bread.

Official Records, Operations in Charleston Harbor, S.C., Series 1, Volume 1, Page 236.

HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY Washington, D.C., April 4, 1861
To: Lieut. Col. Henry L. Scott, A.D.C. [Aide de Camp], New York

SIR: This letter will be handed to you by Capt. G.V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability. He is charged by high authority here with the command of an expedition, under cover of certain ships of war, whose object is to re-inforce Fort Sumter.

To embark with Captain Fox you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about two hundred, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with a competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence. A large surplus of the latter — indeed, as great as the vessels of the expedition can take — with other necessaries, will be needed for the augmented garrison of Fort Sumter.

The subsistence and other supplies should be assorted like those which were provided by you and Captain Ward of the Navy for a former expedition. Consult Captain Fox and Major Eaton on the subject, and give all necessary orders in my name to fit out the expedition, except that the hiring of vessels will be left to others.

Some fuel must be shipped. Oil, artillery, implements, fuses, cordate, slow-match, mechanical levers, and gins, &c., should also be put on board.

Consult, also, if necessary, confidentially, colonel Tompkins and Major Thornton.

Respectfully, yours,

Winfield Scott

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Official Records, Navy, Ser. I, Vol. 4, pg 107

Cooperation of the Navy in the relief of Fort Pickens, April 12 and 17, 1861.

Order of General Scott, U. S. Army, to Colonel Brown, U. S. Army, appointed to command Department of Florida, regarding reenforcement of Fort Pickens.

Headquarters of the Army,

Washington, April 1, 1861.

Sir : You have been designated to take command of an expedition to reenforce and hold Fort Pickens, in the harbor of Pensacola. You will proceed with the least possible delay to that place, and you will assume command of all the land forces of the United States within the limits of the State of Florida. You will proceed to New York, where steam transportation for four companies will be engaged, and, putting on board such supplies as you can ship, without delay proceed at once to your destination. The engineer company of sappers and miners; Brevet Major Hunt's Company M, Second Artillery; Captain Johns's Company C, Third Infantry; Captain Clitz's Company E, Third Infantry, will embark with you in the first steamer. Other troops and full supplies will be sent after you as soon as possible.

Captain Meigs will accompany you as engineer, and will remain with you until you are established in Fort Pickens, when he will return to resume his duties in this city. The other members of your staff will be Assistant Surgeon John Campbell, medical staff; Captain Rufus Ingalls, assistant quartermaster; Captain Henry F. Clarke, assistant commissary of subsistence ; Brevet Captain George L. Hartsuff, assistant adjutant-general, and First Lieutenant George T. Balch, ordnance offtcer.

The object and destination of this expedition will be communicated to no one to whom it is not already known. The naval officers in the Gulf will be instructed to cooperate with you, and to afford every facility in their power for the accomplishment of the object of the expedition, which is the security of Fort Pickens against all attacks, foreign and domestic. Should a shot be fired at you, you will defend yourself and your expedition at whatever hazard, and, if needful for such defense, inflict upon the assailants all the damage in your power within the range of your guns.

Lieutenant-Colonel Keyes, military secretary, will be authorized to give all necessary orders and to call upon the staff department for every requisite material and transportation, and other steamers will follow that on which you embark, to carry reenforcements, supplies, and provisions for the garrison of Fort Pickens for six months. Captain Barry's battery will follow as soon as a vessel can be fitted for its transportation. Two or three foot companies will embark at the same time with the battery. All the companies will be filled up to the maximum standard, those to embark first from the recruits in the harbor of New York. The other companies will be filled, if practicable, with instructed soldiers.

You will make Fort Jefferson your main depot and base of operations. You will be careful not to reduce too much the means of the fortresses in the Florida Reef, as they are deemed of greater importance than even Fort Pickens. The naval officers in the Gulf will be instructed to cooperate with you in every way in order to insure the safety of Fort Pickens, Fort Jefferson, and Fort Taylor. You will fully communicate with them for this end, and will exhibit to them the authority of the President herewith.

The President directs that you be assigned to duty from this date according to your brevet rank in the Army.

With great confidence in your judgment zeal, and intelligence, I remain, respectfully,

WINFIELD SCOTT.

Brevet Colonel Harvey Brown, U. S. Army,
Washington, D. C.

April 2, 1861.

Approved:
Abraham Lincoln.

[Enclosure.]

Executive Mansion, Washington, April 1, 1861.

All officers of the Army and Navy to whom this order may be exhibited will aid by every means in their power the expedition under the command of Colonel Harvey Brown, supplying him with men and material, and cooperating with him as he may desire.

Abraham Lincoln.


201 posted on 02/18/2024 8:10:52 PM PST by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher; FLT-bird; DiogenesLamp; x; jmacusa
woodpusher: "As for United States territorial waters, they extend twelve miles off shore."

In 1861 "territorial waters" were considered to be the range of coastal cannon fire -- a couple of miles at most.

And although our Lost Cause FRiend FLT-bird seems unable to articulate his argument, this cannon shot range measure of "territorial waters" is how we know Democrat Pres. Buchanan's Star of the West mission to resupply Fort Sumter on January 9, 1861, did enter "territorial waters", since SC batteries fired and hit the unarmed civilian merchant steamship three times.

At the Battle of Fort Sumter, on April 12, no Confederate batteries fired on any Union ships, clearly telling us they were outside South Carolina's alleged "territorial waters".

woodpusher: "The important point is your quoted material contains no order to assault or take Fort Pickens, and Bragg made no such assault."

Only people blinded by Lost Cause Lies can fail to understand Jefferson Davis' clear meaning in his orders to CSA Gen. Bragg on April 3, 1861:

woodpusher quoting Scott, April 4: "He is charged by authority here, with the command of an expedition (under cover of certain ships of war) whose object is, to reinforce Fort Sumter."

Orders to both Fox and Mercer make clear Lincoln's intentions that the mission to Fort Sumter is "resupply only" and "no first use of force" so long as secessionists remain peaceful.

Civilian merchant steamer Star of the West approaching Fort Sumter, January 9, 1861:


259 posted on 02/21/2024 1:22:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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