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To: BroJoeK
I'm saying not a single Union warship, your words: "invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory.",/p>

LOL! Then that is a lie on your part.

I'm saying, first of all, South Carolina had no legally recognized "sovereign territory".

of course it did. Read the 1783 Treaty of Paris. The sovereignty of each state was recognized individually. The sovereignty of each state has never been denied and is not denied to the present day by the SCOTUS. So this is just another lie on your part.

Second, even if we contemplate SC "territorial waters", there's no proof that any Union ship "invaded" those waters.

LOL! Every time a union warship sailed into South Carolina's territorial waters without the consent of the lawfully elected government of South Carolina, it invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory.

Third, there was no "fleet" on April 11, there was only one small ship, the Revenue Cutter Harriet Lane and it neither "invaded" South Carolina's "sovereign territory" nor threatened any Confederates.

Lincoln sent a heavily armed fleet as previously discussed.

Your list of Union "war fleet" ships includes none which were actually in Charleston Harbor or invading South Carolina's "sovereign territory".

Lincoln sent the fleet of warships I outlined previously.

171 posted on 02/16/2024 8:46:28 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
FLT-bird quoting BJK: "I'm saying, first of all, South Carolina had no legally recognized "sovereign territory".

FLT-bird: "of course it did.
Read the 1783 Treaty of Paris.
The sovereignty of each state was recognized individually.
The sovereignty of each state has never been denied and is not denied to the present day by the SCOTUS.
So this is just another lie on your part."

Whatever the Treaty of Paris may or may not have recognized in 1783 did not last beyond the new US Constitution ratified in 1788.

If it were true that South Carolina in 1860 had "sovereign territorial waters" to defend, then you might expect at least a SC Coast Guard or Navy, but of course there was none.
South Carolina's territorial waters were the responsibility of Federal government, not South Carolina.

FLT-bird "Every time a union warship sailed into South Carolina's territorial waters without the consent of the lawfully elected government of South Carolina, it invaded South Carolina's sovereign territory."

But not one ever did on April 11, 1861.

FLT-bird: "Lincoln sent a heavily armed fleet as previously discussed."

Perhaps, but not one of those ships ever "invaded" South Carolina's "sovereign territorial waters".

175 posted on 02/17/2024 6:46:38 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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