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To: FLT-bird; cowboyusa; x
FLT-bird: "The Ludwig von Mises Institute has repeatedly outlined how tyrannical Lincoln was."

Anybody can call somebody a "tyrant" because the word is meaningless without context.
In this particular case, the context question is whether Lincoln was any more "tyrannical" than Jefferson Davis?

Every account I've read says that, relative to populations, Jefferson Davis:

  1. Arrested as many Union loyalists as Lincoln arrested Copperhead Democrats.

  2. Forced just as many unwilling Southerners to serve in the Confederate army as the Union drafted for its armies.

  3. Confiscated as much Confederate property as Lincoln confiscated Union property.

  4. Imposed as many arbitrary laws on Confederates as Lincoln did on the Union.

  5. Micro-managed the war itself as his own Commander in Chief and Chief of Staff, issuing orders regardless of states rights or human rights.
The "Solid South" was anything but "solid" in its votes for secession.
Jefferson Davis used whatever forces necessary to compel obedience from pro-Union regions.

119 posted on 02/14/2024 5:01:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

Hurray for the Southern Uninoists!


121 posted on 02/14/2024 6:27:02 AM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GFLOBALISM ! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: BroJoeK

In this you are correct. More than a third of the South supported the Union.


122 posted on 02/14/2024 7:08:53 AM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GFLOBALISM ! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: BroJoeK
Anybody can call somebody a "tyrant" because the word is meaningless without context. In this particular case, the context question is whether Lincoln was any more "tyrannical" than Jefferson Davis? Every account I've read says that, relative to populations, Jefferson Davis: Arrested as many Union loyalists as Lincoln arrested Copperhead Democrats. Forced just as many unwilling Southerners to serve in the Confederate army as the Union drafted for its armies. Confiscated as much Confederate property as Lincoln confiscated Union property. Imposed as many arbitrary laws on Confederates as Lincoln did on the Union. Micro-managed the war itself as his own Commander in Chief and Chief of Staff, issuing orders regardless of states rights or human rights. The "Solid South" was anything but "solid" in its votes for secession. Jefferson Davis used whatever forces necessary to compel obedience from pro-Union regions.

Lincoln arrested more people by all accounts. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus - unconstitutionally. Lincoln signed an arrest warrant for the chief justice of the Supreme Court when the chief justice ruled in ex parte Merryman that this was unconstitutional. Lincoln stuffed ballot boxes. Lincoln shut down over 100 opposition newspapers by force. Lincoln arrested a sitting US Congressman. Lincoln banished a sitting US Senator. Lincoln censored all telegraph traffic. Lincoln presided over the only mass execution in American history. Lincoln also presided over the infamous union death camps including the infamous Camp Douglas which produced the largest mass grave in American history. Lincoln presided over the ethnic cleansing and genocide committed against native peoples in Minnesota. This was after he refused to honor the treaty the US Government had with the Santee Sioux and pay them the money they were owed so they could avoid starving. Lincoln also deliberately started the war without the consent of Congress.

He was by any measure, a bloodthirsty tyrant.

125 posted on 02/14/2024 8:18:25 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: BroJoeK
Ah, I see you are offering the argument:

"Oh yeah? Your guy did the same bad things *MY* guy did!"

This argument does not justify your guy doing the bad things.

139 posted on 02/14/2024 3:32:25 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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