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1 posted on 12/19/2023 9:35:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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I suspect “Equally” does not mean what one thinks it does. The male standard will be a level that fails 35% of the men with the woman standard will be a level that fails 35% of the women.


2 posted on 12/19/2023 9:39:26 PM PST by alternatives?
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So somebody else doesn’t think 105 lb female loaders on an M1 tank are a good idea?


4 posted on 12/19/2023 10:34:59 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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7 posted on 12/20/2023 12:37:25 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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Are we adapting the physical fitness test to our social theories of equality, or basing the test around the job/duty requirements? That simple.

Every test is going to favor certain groups to some degree. Get over it. The old test with pushups, sit-ups and a 2 mile run favored small and light people. A really small and light dude can run like the wind, bounce up and down on the push ups and sit ups, but is he really able to carry a 45 pound ruck and body armor, 210 rounds, his weapon, etc. all that well? No test will be perfect and 100% fair for all because other constraints like not needing special equipment, making the test easy and clear to understand and administer, train for, avoiding injuries, etc. must also be considered.

Of course today, in the age of special considerations for extra special people, what is true even between men is unacceptable if it’s a female that feels disadvantaged by some test.

Also, all this dividing things up into 3 groups... more convoluted nonsense. Every soldier, even a cook, electrician or truck driver is a rifleman or may find themselves behind enemy lines etc. All soldiers should perform to the general physical standards which indicate combat fitness.

All you do for the combat arms or physically demanding jobs and folks that are specifically in them is add events that pertain to the specific requirement that likely are indicative of being able to perform the combat task well. Those will vary since a fireman should be able to pull someone to safety, an artilleryman should be able to lift shells quickly and repeatedly, and an infantryman needs to be able to walk 12 miles with full combat gear and still function. There should be a simple baseline test and then 1 - 3 MOS specific additions.

You might be shocked and realize that what you end up with something like the old APFT test but simply adding the MOS specific requirements on top of that.


8 posted on 12/20/2023 2:08:20 AM PST by Red6
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But, but, but aren’t we told that men do not have an advantage in strength? Isn’t that why it is not unfair for “trans women” (i.e. transvestite men) to compete in women’s sports?


9 posted on 12/20/2023 3:46:10 AM PST by Petrosius
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β€œIt will disproportionately negatively impact women due to sheer size differences, muscle strength baselines, and require extensive training for women to be able to compete β€˜equally’ with men for output results vs measuring fitness.” Never fear the new military will just make men women and problem solved. /s


10 posted on 12/20/2023 4:21:45 AM PST by pas
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Several years ago I worked at a nearby air base. The airmen’s appearance was quite good in the physical fitness department. Those a little overweight were put on the “fat boy” program, and if I’m not mistaken were run out the door if they did not get within weight standards in a given time.

We recently went to the base BX and commissary. I could not believe the fat slobs in uniform. Totally disgusting.

I also recall back in the day when an officer looked like an officer. The officers at the recent base visit had the overall physical appearance of a stressed out private E1 that forgot to press his uniform or shine his shoes. Same with NCO’s, they used to all have that strac look about them, today not so much.

We went to what’s called the DEERS office to get ID cards. The wife and I both noticed how absolutely filthy the office was. And the physical condition of that office was in dire need of repairs to the walls and carpet.

Apparently to create equity everything must be brought down to the lowest possible standard.

I’m hoping what we saw was not representative of the aircraft on base.


11 posted on 12/20/2023 4:51:52 AM PST by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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What sounds like a plan...I fear will turn into a mess as seems to be usual. There is a simple way to recruit the people the Armed forces need, but they won’t do that. There always has to be some complicated “plan”. They could learn from past victories & defeats...if they would.


12 posted on 12/20/2023 5:21:03 AM PST by oldtech
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What sounds like a plan...I fear will turn into a mess as seems to be usual. There is a simple way to recruit the people the Armed forces need, but they won’t do that. There always has to be some complicated “plan”. They could learn from past victories & defeats...if they would.


13 posted on 12/20/2023 5:23:16 AM PST by oldtech
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what a concept...


14 posted on 12/20/2023 7:25:36 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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