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Putin’s warning on the F-16’s
Dances with Bears ^ | June 17th 23 | John Helmet

Posted on 06/18/2023 2:52:52 PM PDT by delta7

Until June 24 the combined air forces of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) are conducting their largest operation against Russia in the 74-year history of the alliance. The plan has been to disguise F-16 fighter jets as if they are piloted by Ukrainians, and pretend they are launched from Ukrainian territory.

In response, Russian artillery, missile and fighter-bomber forces have been disabling and destroying Ukrainian airfields, and every Ukrainian aircraft being flown from them.

Then on Friday, President Vladimir Putin dismissed the NATO pretence, warning that if an F-16 threatens to attack a Russian target, it would be “burned”, and so would the launch airbase and supporting aircraft – fuel tankers, electronic countermeasures, command-and-control, and decoys – no matter what NATO member-state flag they are flying, and on what territory they are based.

“The F-16 will also burn, there is no doubt,” Putin said in St. Petersburg on June 16. “But if they are located at air bases outside Ukraine, and used in combat operations, we will have to look at how to hit and where to hit those means that are used in combat operations against us. This is a serious danger of NATO’s further involvement in this armed conflict.” When the president and commander-in-chief announces “we will have to look at how to hit”, he means the General Staff have already assembled the operational intelligence and readied plans of attack with three minutes to launch; that is, against targets in Poland, Romania, Moldova, and possibly further west across the Czech and German borders.

In the president’s phrase “those means that are used in combat operations against us”, Putin also intends to identify airborne targets, manned and unmanned, over the Black, Baltic, and Barents Seas.

Never before has NATO’s collective defence proviso Article Five been explicitly challenged by the Kremlin. In practice, by describing the agreement of the NATO members that “an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all”, the NATO wording does no more than require each of the NATO members to take “forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary.” .

What is happening is that by aiming their display of NATO airpower at the Kremlin, US and German commanders in their Ramstein bunkers have provoked Putin to call their bluff: he is now aiming directly at the Poles, Romanians and Germans, telling them to “deem” whether war with Russia is “necessary”. “Well, the Poles,” added Putin, “okay, they have their own goals, they sleep and see the return of Western Ukraine. And, apparently, they are gradually coming to this.” In parallel, the US has escalated to nuclear weapons by flying two US Air Force (USAF) B-1B bombers from the UK Fairford airbase, refuelling in Germany, transiting Poland and Romania, to a point in the Black Sea off the Crimean coast and the Sevastopol naval base, where the aircraft transponders were turned off from public view.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron, and Polish President Andrzej Duda have been also been trying to disguise Article Five by negotiating between themselves — they told the press last week — “what sort of security guarantees they would provide [the Ukraine] once the war ends… ‘Our support will last as long as it is needed’, Macron said. ‘We must ensure that Russia will not only not win this unfortunate campaign but also can never repeat it.’”

German Leopard tanks, US Bradley infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) destroyed on the battlefield on June 10; source,

The Financial Times was told to report the three officials are discussing how to provide the Ukraine with security guarantees less potent than NATO membership with its application of Article Five, but instead assurances “that are expected to include annual provisions of cutting-edge weaponry, Nato-standard training and intelligence-sharing…‘The question is between guarantees and assurances’ said one European diplomat involved in the talks. ‘We can’t promise them we will go to war for them, but we can give long-term pledges to keep them safe in other ways.’”

On the Ukrainian battlefield, however, the “cutting-edge” German, French and US weaponry has been defeated, and the Ukrainian and foreign men and means to replace them destroyed. The outcome which the Russians have called “de-militarization” of Ukrainian territory at the start of the Special Military Operation last year has now been defined by Putin to mean the accession of the Russian territories east of the Dnieper River, plus a “sanitary zone” from the river westward from Kiev to Lvov which will be deep enough to prevent attacks on the Russian east; and Polish conversion of the Galician region between Lvov and the Polish border.

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/JjxHCw5PP2s9/ For the full speech and question-and-answer session, see: (Russian); the English translation incomplete.

“As for demilitarization,” Putin said on Friday, “after all, look, soon Ukraine will stop using its own equipment at all, there is nothing left. Everything they fight on, and everything they use, is brought in from the outside, but you can’t win for so long. And our defense industry is being promoted from day to day. We have increased the output of military products 2.7 times over the past year, and the increase in the most popular samples is tenfold, and further growth is taking place. Enterprises work in two, three shifts, and some day and night. And this tells us that we have a very large margin of safety.”

The implication is that for the Russian war outcome to be checked or defeated before there is no Ukrainian army left on the battlefield, “security guarantees” and “assurances” from NATO will not be enough — Germany, France and Poland must fight Russia directly, activating Article Five thereby. Their bluff called in Friday’s ultimatum over the deployment of the F-16, “the serious danger of NATO’s further involvement in this armed conflict”, as Putin warned, is that Germany, France and Poland will also be defeated on the field, and have no “security guarantee” or “assurance” to rely on for themselves, let alone for the Ukraine.

In his Friday speech Putin warned that Ukrainian military operations are failing up and down the line of contact. “What is going on with this so-called counteroffensive? Not quite so: somewhere Ukrainian units manage to reach the first line, somewhere they fail – that’s not the question. The question is that they use so-called strategic reserves, which consist of several components. The first of them is designed to break through the defense, the second is to use troops to consolidate territories, move through the territory. They didn’t achieve their goals at any of the sites – that’s what’s important.”

“Indeed, their losses are very large, about even more than one in ten compared to the Russian army. This is a fact. On technology: every day there is an increase in the loss of this equipment, somewhere now, to date, 186 tanks have been lost by the Ukrainian army and 418 armored vehicles of various classes. I’m not talking about the personnel right now, it’s necessary for the Ministry of Defense to voice itself. But, I repeat, the most important thing is that there is no success in any of the areas. The enemy had no success, as reported by the military.”

What happens next on the battlefield? In the broadcast George Eliason introduces the evidence that, in desperation, the Ukrainian military will attempt to trigger a major nuclear explosion at the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (NPP), causing radiation contamination of the surrounding area, as the Ukrainian destruction of the Kakhovka dam on June 6 attempted to use flood water to the same effect.

For the story of Ukrainian artillery and commando attacks on the Zaporozhye NPP, read this.

For more details on the Kakhovka dam attacks, click. The first segment of the broadcast concludes with breaking news from federal court in Boston, Massachusetts, where the grand jury indictment of Jack Teixeira in the Pentagon Papers case was unsealed and published on June 15. Click to read in full the 10-page document.

For the time being, the Bellingcat intelligence unit and the New York Times, which have been collaborating to convict Teixeira of espionage, have failed to see the dramatic shift in the US prosecutors’ case against the young US Air Force (USAF) national guardsman. According to the Times report, “the evidence presented in the 10-page indictment represents a distillation of the immense trove of secrets Airman Teixeira is accused of taking from computers at an intelligence unit at the Cape Cod air base — and sharing with online friends he was hoping to impress in chat groups on Discord, a social media platform popular with gamers. But it was not immediately clear how many of the vaguely described incidents that underlie the charges had been previously disclosed and which ones were being made public for the first time.”

In fact, the new court filing confirms the Justice Department has decided to downgrade the originally reported charges against Teixeira from espionage on behalf of a foreign state or organisation to “willful retention and transmission of national defense information”.………


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To: desertsolitaire
F*ck him and his nuclear threats. Dont believe them anymore and if he’s really crazy enough to use nukes against st the WEST over keeping what he can of Ukraine, well then its boogaloo time.

Unfortunately, I'm with Joe Biden on this one. But you know the saying "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

Russia may be able to man their armed forces for the next 20 years but after that, they won't have the numbers to threaten their neighbors in the future due to their collapsing demographics.

So there's a chance that we may see Russia falling apart and a couple of countries will emerge in its place.

61 posted on 06/18/2023 5:34:55 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: delta7

The collective West is not fighting Russia, the Ukrainians are.

Supplying weapons is not making war, just like the Soviets did in the 1960s in Vietnam.

We’ve come full circle. But it still isn’t war. If Putin goes down that road, we cannot stop him, but it will be to his failure.


62 posted on 06/18/2023 5:38:10 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: crz

Russia established some missile basis in Cuba while JFK was president. It happened in the early 60’s. Oh man, you missed some evcitement. We were expecting nuclear fireworks and naval battles on the high seas. I think that it was a prelude to JFK’s demise.Joe Namath played at Alabama and John Unitas at Baltimore and I lost the love of my life at college.


63 posted on 06/18/2023 6:06:20 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: crz

Russia established some missile basis in Cuba while JFK was president. It happened in the early 60’s. Oh man, you missed some evcitement. We were expecting nuclear fireworks and naval battles on the high seas. I think that it was a prelude to JFK’s demise.Joe Namath played at Alabama and John Unitas at Baltimore and I lost the love of my life at college.Cuban cigars were no longer available.Oh man, what a mess.


64 posted on 06/18/2023 6:11:19 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: Sarcazmo

Correction: Biden threatened to erase us with F-15s.


65 posted on 06/18/2023 6:15:23 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: Sarcazmo

Stolen elections result in stolen futures


66 posted on 06/18/2023 6:19:29 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Gave them pilots too.


67 posted on 06/18/2023 6:22:16 PM PDT by enduserindy
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To: hardspunned

If the Russian’s think NATO weaponry is massively killing Russians now they are going to be in for a real surprise if they start WWIII. The reality is Russia is a second world economy that spends massively on weaponry to create a hollow facsimile of a modern first world military. In a confrontation with the west their navy and air force and air defenses would be reduced to scrap inside of two weeks. We are seeing WWI repeated in Ukraine because Russia has not got an air force. This whole article is either a joke, crude propaganda, or the ravings of a delusional nut job.


68 posted on 06/18/2023 6:27:29 PM PDT by your other brother
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To: Sarcazmo

“lowest caliber of people ever i...”

Yes! We need pistol braces”

SLAP ..... side swipe
....cachaw.....

good one ..... it sneeks up and delivers


69 posted on 06/18/2023 6:32:13 PM PDT by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: BobL

Yeah that will work. Russia spends all winter throwing bodies at Bakmut in an offensive measured in meters per day. So go ahead and start a war with NATO. That is like going 12 rounds with Chuck Wepner with all judges scoring it a draw and saying you are ready to take on Muhammad Ali. Seriously?


70 posted on 06/18/2023 6:38:37 PM PDT by your other brother
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To: Alas Babylon!

“Do you even remember when MASSIVE Soviet weaponry was killing our guys in Vietnam and in Korea?”

That was the USSR, not Russia. The USSR ended over 30 years ago and spent decades offering a hand of friendship. What you are advocating would be like being hateful to Germans in 1978 because of the nazis in WWII.

By the way, there was a book back in the 60s titled the same as your screen name. You should check it out.


71 posted on 06/18/2023 6:39:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Sarcazmo; CFW
” terms of surrender “

the ultimate in ... sue and settle ...

Happens all the time to get around laws and set precedence

That idea may sound a bit out there .. but the more I consider it the more I can see it ... that's interesting

72 posted on 06/18/2023 6:40:34 PM PDT by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: Secret Agent Man; delta7
I really loce how people,here think Putin and Russia are the good guys here.

Don't support the corrupt 10 year DNC/deep-state money-laundering, political black-box and globohomo promotion operation known as Ukraine?

You must hate America!

73 posted on 06/18/2023 6:47:48 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: desertsolitaire
” boogaloo time. “

hmmmmm ...... not so sure I can see bidung and the europeeon leaders going all in because Ukraine takes a tactical nuke to the face.

Remember .... obungo said that WE could “absorb” a couple of nuke hits.

kind of like the kid who takes a punch from the bully and won't hit back for fear he will get hit again.

just saying ....

74 posted on 06/18/2023 6:58:20 PM PDT by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: your other brother

“Russia spends all winter throwing bodies at Bakmut in an offensive measured in meters per day.”

You might want to check out the ‘progress’ of “The Greatest Counteroffensive Operation”, particularly the Ukrainian heavy equipment destroyed, such as half of their mine-clearing tanks from NATO (verified by video evidence).


75 posted on 06/18/2023 7:00:58 PM PDT by BobL
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To: laplata

But they’ve got their pronouns straight.


76 posted on 06/18/2023 7:06:34 PM PDT by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: DesertRhino

That’s not my point at all. Doesn’t matter what regime did it.

A powerful arms making country gave arms to a nation we fought. THAT was not an act of war by the weapon making country.

The French gave us arms during our revolution. Different countries supported both the North and the South with arms in the US Civil war. We gave arms to Britain and France in WWI before from 1914-16. Both the Nazis and Soviets gave weapons to the opposing factions during the 1930s Spanish Civil War. We gave the French weapons in Vietnam in the 1950s.

We are now giving another nation weapons of war. WE are NOT fighting the Russians, Ukraine is. No more than the Soviets were fighting us in Vietnam in the 1960s/70s.

The argument that we’re fighting the Russians because we give weapons to Ukraine is as bogus now as it was back in the 60s.

My screen name is from the book. Click my profile.


77 posted on 06/18/2023 7:11:55 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: desertsolitaire

“Wood the founding fathers have chosen to pay the Danegeld”

Would the Founding Fathers have felt they should engage in a war in Czarist areas of eastern Ukraine?


78 posted on 06/18/2023 7:24:01 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: 353FMG

My older brother was at a base in FL loading Nuclear bombs.

They scattered those Bombers all over the SE.

He later went to the UK after that settled and then to Germany.

I was in grade school and remember the duck and cover drills very well.


79 posted on 06/18/2023 7:30:39 PM PDT by crz
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To: delta7

If Putin attacks NATO…..he’ll go the Hitler route…..Poland. Just sayin.


80 posted on 06/18/2023 7:52:25 PM PDT by wardamneagle
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