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'High-Speed Rail' - California & Japan Are Different: If it works somewhere else it doesn't necessarily work here
"The Point" Substack ^ | 02/02/2023 | Thmoas Buckley

Posted on 02/02/2023 9:41:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 02/02/2023 9:41:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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No, JR’s HSR does not make money. The numbers are skewed by excluding the costs of infrastructure.

And California has always taken the most absurd route to HSR planning anyhow, which results in it allegedly costing ten times per mile more than what they spend on it elsewhere in the world.


2 posted on 02/02/2023 9:48:15 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SeekAndFind

The writer is quite the optimist, worrying about the profitability of a railroad that may never be built.


3 posted on 02/02/2023 9:52:05 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m all for high-speed rail

Just let private investors and companies run it.

Then we’ll know exactly how good an idea it really is.


4 posted on 02/02/2023 10:02:50 PM PST by PGR88 (, )
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To: SeekAndFind

The U.S. is too spread out so it’s not really doable.


5 posted on 02/02/2023 10:06:56 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Olog-hai

Just in general...even in Europe...I don’t think any of the high-speed rail projects have a real pay-back situation. It’s just infrastructure money from each gov’t that makes these happen in the end.

And I’ll just say...having ridden a couple of times on German high-speed rail...it’s an uneasy feeling when you get above 200 kilometers per hour.


6 posted on 02/02/2023 11:17:03 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

One other HUGE DIFFERENCE - the nicest places to visit, live, and work in Japan are the central areas of the big cities (assuming one doesn’t need a 20 Acre FreeRepublic Ranch), while the inner cities in the US make Haiti look like a paradise. I suspect that 90% of airport customers have nothing to do with our central cities and would prefer NOT to be dumped there.


7 posted on 02/02/2023 11:22:38 PM PST by BobL
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(assuming one doesn’t need a 20 Acre FreeRepublic Ranch)


We grew up calling them “hobby farms”.

Daniel Boone’s idea of dense housing. Nice places to raise a family.


8 posted on 02/02/2023 11:57:39 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: BobL

This is a good point you’ve made.
They seem to have overlooked the biggest difference between California and Japan. In japan you’re not worried that some indigent crazy living in a corner of the station’s going to walk over and push your wife and child onto the tracks.


9 posted on 02/03/2023 12:30:38 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (This is not about hypocrisy, this is about hierarchy!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m taking a wild guess that the authors first name “Thmoas Buckley” is misspelled, unless that’s a Japanese interpretation.


10 posted on 02/03/2023 1:30:33 AM PST by lee martell (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats are idiots and never factor in culture.
Japanese are pretty homogeneous and comfortable
in small controlled confined areas.
I’m a white guy and I like my freedom and my space.
screw your trains. I don’t even like airplanes and I was a Boeing Engineer for over twenty years.
Personal transportation made a lot of people very rich.
Y’all figure it out.


11 posted on 02/03/2023 1:54:34 AM PST by rellic
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks.


12 posted on 02/03/2023 3:25:07 AM PST by Words Matter
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To: SeekAndFind

Japanese public transportation is safe. I mean safe from being accosted by ferals.


13 posted on 02/03/2023 3:56:52 AM PST by D Rider ( )
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“the nicest places to visit, live, and work in Japan are the central areas of the big cities, while the inner cities in the US make Haiti look like a paradise”

How do the Japanese keep their cities so nice?

Making our big cities “nice” makes more sense than moving people from distant homes into and out of the cities each day.


14 posted on 02/03/2023 4:50:23 AM PST by cymbeline
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How are they going to collect the fares? If they arrest people who refuse to pay, it will be racist.


15 posted on 02/03/2023 4:55:20 AM PST by gunnut
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“No, JR’s HSR does not make money. The numbers are skewed by excluding the costs of infrastructure.”

And corruption costs. Japanese wouldn’t tolerate it.


16 posted on 02/03/2023 5:07:20 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SeekAndFind

California’s high speed rail to nowhere ?


17 posted on 02/03/2023 5:29:38 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: cymbeline

Not familiar with the Japan system but have spent a lot of time in Taiwan. The underground train system in Taipei was built in 3 yrs on a 4 yr project and under budget. Went through a major earthquake with only a few ceiling tiles knocked loose. Super clean, no one litters in Taiwan. There is a large fine if caught with chewing gum in there.
All across the country the trains are on time to the minute. People are friendly and kind, happy to help you.


18 posted on 02/03/2023 5:31:05 AM PST by oldasrocks (quew)
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To: SeekAndFind

The suburbs of Los Angeles and San Francisco spread out for many miles.

There might be five trips involved:
1. walk to catch a bus/subway
2. bus/subway to departure RR station
3. the high-speed train trip (via the central cities)
4. bus/subway from destination RR station
5. walk to destination after getting off bus/subway

If you drive, you have ready transportation at your destination. And your car better be ‘green’ by 2050.


19 posted on 02/03/2023 5:35:24 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Bonemaker

There is corruption in Japan, probably around the level of the US.


20 posted on 02/03/2023 5:41:38 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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