Why the world needs Ukrainian victory

Thinking About ^ | 1/23/23 | Timothy Snyder

[Sunsong]

"Why does the world need a Ukrainian victory?

1. To halt atrocity. Russia's occupation is genocidal. Wherever the Ukrainians recover territory, they save lives, and re-establish the principle that people have a right not to be tortured, deported, and murdered.

2. To preserve the international legal order. Its basis is that one country may not invade another and annex its territory, as Russia seeks to do. Russia's war of aggression is obviously illegal, but the legal order does not defend itself.

3. To end an era of empire. This could be the last war fought on the colonial logic that another state and people do not exist. But this turning point is reached only if Russia loses.

4. To defend the peace project of the European Union. Russia's war is not directed only against Ukraine, but against the larger idea that European states can peacefully cooperate. If empire prevails, integration fails.

5. To give the rule of law a chance in Russia. So long as Russia fights imperial wars, it is trapped in repressive domestic politics. Coming generations of Russians could live better and freer lives, but only if Russia loses this war.

6. To weaken the prestige of tyrants. In this century, the trend has been towards authoritarianism, with Putinism as a force and a model. Its defeat by a democracy reverses that trend. Fascism is about force, and is discredited by defeat.

7. To remind us that democracy is the better system. Ukrainians have internalized the idea that they choose their own leaders. In taking risks to protect their democracy, they remind us that we all must act to protect ours..."

[ExTxMarine]

He isn't "listening" to the cheerleaders.

He is the HEAD CHEERLEADER, like he was at the Phillips Academy!!

I'm telling you, this is George W. "Let's Spend American Taxpayer Money On As Many Foreign Wars As We Can" Bush, using a pseudonym!!

[Sunsong]

goodness as a concept is such things as virtue, benevolence and generosity

[nathanbedford]

Russia falsely accused Georgia of committing "genocide"[51] and "aggression against South Ossetia".[41] It launched a full-scale land, air and sea invasion of Georgia, including its undisputed territory, on 8 August, referring to it as a "peace enforcement" operation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War#:~:text=Russia%20falsely%20accused%20Georgia%20of,a%20%22peace%20enforcement%22%20operation.

[Robert DeLong]

Until peace is achieved, then they go back to hating the U.S. for their hegemony, as they always do.

[dforest]

You won’t find that running America anymore. That is why people like you are useless saving what is left of America. You want to feel good for the “greater good” I am sure.

Face it. Ukraine is infested with the same satanic scum that we have running America. None of the care about those people. They have been chosen to die for the sake of global power and money.

Benevolence, generosity, and virtue indeed. LOL

[TrumpetteNJ]

“It was a funny sketch.” ummm, No!

[Krosan]

I forgive you.

[Sunsong]

Hi,

Please read comments 53 and 58 by NathanBedford

[mac_truck]

This country used to have certain values.

Neo-liberals have no values...what rock have you been living under?

Stop supporting their endless wars, idiot.

[TrumpetteNJ]

“- To keep international money laundering in place
- To keep over 40 bioweapons labs running
- To keep human trafficking going so world leaders can get their jollies
- To keep Nazism alive”

Yep, and the that I’ll add to keep Military Industrial Complex donors happy.

End military aid to Ukraine!

[Sunsong]

LOL I am NOT W

I’m pretty sure he has more important things to do than troll Free Republic

[NorseViking]

Wikipedia is not a legit source. Find a Tagliavini report.

[dforest]

Chimpy Shrub probably has time these days to troll here between doing his ugly art and hugging Moochelle.

[Sunsong]

do you really think his art his ugly?

I was/am surprised by his talent LOL

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Note to people: Hitler is dead. World War Two ended 3/4 of a Century ago. The British Empire is GONE. The Soviet Union is Gone. Stalin is dead. Stop trying to refight WW II—that was then—this is now. IF War should come—we may well NOT Win. Japan had not lost a war in centuries, until 1945. We could suffer the same fate. Our Arrogance might do us in. We and the Brits have made many enemies all over the place—if they gang up on us and side with Putin—it will not be fun. Remember—if we fight Russia, we may well have to fight China, North Korea, Syria, Iran, South Africa and Cuba too. Unlike other wars—it may well come here. Will Antifa—BLM fight against Chinese troops in LA and San Francisco? They will not permit “Peaceful demonstrations”. No—War is Bad!

[ozarker]

How much is it worth to you to see russia defeated? Are you willing to send your child or grandchild to die there? How about if they come home alive but maimed and ruined mentally? Would it be worth thermonuclear war? What does victory mean? Back to last feb starting line? Russia out of crimea? What would you personally sacrifice or risk to kick the russians out of crimea?

[1Old Pro]

The world needs Ukrainian victory to prove that a dude who plays the piano with his d!ck can be a great leader. :-P

He's not a leader, as you know. He's a useful idiot puppet in our proxy war. We've been proxy fighting Russia for many decades, this is as close as we have gotten to an actual U.S. Russia war.

[nathanbedford]

Do you mean that it is improper to use Wikipedia on this forum, if so I will refrain from using it in the future?

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

There is genocide everywhere....in china, catholics in nigeria, .....

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

Genocide is everywhere abortion is.

We are a genocidal country.