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Ukraine-Lights Out, No Water And Soon No Heat
Moon of Alabama ^ | 11/23/2022 | Moon of Alabama

Posted on 11/23/2022 7:25:01 PM PST by Nextrush

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To: RFEngineer
I am for preserving Ukrainian lives.

The best way to do that is to provide the Ukrainians with the weapons they need to defend themselves from the Russian invasion and missile attacks.

More anti-aircraft and missile weapons, and long range missiles so that the Ukrainians can destroy the bases that are being used to launch missiles against their country.

101 posted on 11/24/2022 8:26:41 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

“The best way to do that is to provide the Ukrainians with the weapons they need to defend themselves from the Russian invasion and missile attacks”

No. Actually the best way is for Ukraine to have properly prepared themselves to defend against the Russians. They failed to do that because they cared more about corruption than Ukraine.

So now, instead of avoiding an invasion, they deploy more corruption to coerce the Bidens and a majority of US Congressmen through direct bribery to give Ukraine weapons and money that they can repurpose for cash.

The Ukrainian people are victims first and most by their corrupt government. The Russians, as bad as their invasion is, are the inevitable result of Ukrainian government, Ukrainian oligarchs and officials who knew the Russians would invade if they had any reason to.

That NATO is willing to provide weapons is secondary to any concern for Ukraine.

They will eventually be cut off, and all of Ukraine will fall.

It didn’t have to be this way.


102 posted on 11/24/2022 8:47:26 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: freeandfreezing

To equate my feelings about this with ‘cheering on a rapist’ is ludicrous. You UKR zealots want nothing but your way without debate or discussion period. Screw off. You know nothing


103 posted on 11/24/2022 9:10:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: RFEngineer

Fail.

Russia has been claiming for eight years that it saw the arming and training of Ukraine as a provocation. But it invaded Ukraine before all that!

Before Ukraine had armed itself and at a time when it couldn’t and wouldn’t fight Russia, Russia walked into Crimea and sent little green men into the Donbas.

So Ukraine invoked the Budapest Memorandum and asked the signatories to assist. We did, so Russia gave NATO an ultimatum in December. Pull everything out of Ukraine and the Baltic and anywhere else east of Germany that Putin had eyes on... Or Russia would invade Ukraine.

For the benefit of folks who can’t add two and two and understand that the answer is 4...

When Ukraine couldn’t defend itself, and its president sold out to Putin, Russia invaded Ukraine.

Because the Budapest Memorandum was upheld by its signatories, USA and UK, Russia threatens Europe and NATO... And readied itself to invade Ukraine.

Because Ukraine now defends itself, Russia keeps invading Ukraine.

There never was a scenario where Russia wasn’t going to invade Ukraine.

It’ll keep invading Ukraine until Putin, Prigozhin, Patrushev, Lavrov, Kadyrov, Pushilin, Medvedev, and the Duma headbangers on Rossiya1, experience such a crushing defeat that the Russian Federation decides it’s time to decorate the Moscow lamp posts with these irredeemably deranged warmongering sickos. Save Russia, by turning the invasion fetishists into Vatnik piñatas.


104 posted on 11/24/2022 10:51:16 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

And the CIA has spoken.

But his goes much further back. The creeping NATO crush is the narrative that speaks volumes. The NATO encroachment eventually ended in the Ukranian showdown.

There is no other way to see this. And the CIA is pushing the narrative.


105 posted on 11/24/2022 11:32:44 AM PST by blackberry1
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To: blackberry1

Of course there’s another way to see this. The Russian narrative is unadulterated revisionist bullcrap.

NATO expansion didn’t threaten Russia. Putin, in 2001, when he tipped NATO off about Al Qaeda 2 days before 9/11 and was first out of the door to offer the USA assistance.

He was perfectly fine with NATO getting involved in the wake of 9/11. The cretin just doesn’t want NATO to get in the way of him imposing his excremental, ultra-corrupt gangster autocracy on the free nations that chose Europeanisation over Russification when the Iron Curtain fell.


106 posted on 11/24/2022 1:01:06 PM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

Kyiv, approxly. 7 hours ago.....

https://twitter.com/Navsteva/status/1595919564583636992
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But hey, were all that Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine going?
Want something to eat?
Think again....

“Local Ukrainian channels have published videos of empty shelves and long queues in Kyiv markets”
https://twitter.com/TobiAyodele/status/1595880479341051905

But still #Winning!

The Ukrainian #Winning! “narrative is unadulterated revisionist bullcrap.”


107 posted on 11/24/2022 11:09:14 PM PST by cranked
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To: MalPearce

Yo, MalPractice, ‘Disney releases a new blockbuster: “The Air Defense of Ukraine”.’
https://twitter.com/fabushka_/status/1595444647693885440


108 posted on 11/24/2022 11:10:29 PM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

An easy way to expose the truth on that would be for Russia to stop firing rockets at civilian infrastructure surrounded by buildings with dense concentrations of people in them.

If Ukraine’s rockets are still landing on ukrainian buildings despite a ceasefire, it’ll lose the plausible deniability it currently enjoys because Russia openly admits to targeting heating and power installations even if that means firing into civilian population centres.

I’ve told you before, Russia doesn’t help itself with it’s smack talk. In the last 48 hours we’ve had Prigozhin and his hammer, and a headbanger talk of bombing Ukraine back to the 18th century.

Nobody outside of Russia knows where to draw the line between its spokespersons making serious threats, or isolated hyperbole, sarcasm, posturing, trolling, or just being drunk on camera.

So all we can go by is actions not words. Russia flattened Grozny and Mariupol and hundreds of villages earlier this year. It is still firing into cities hundreds of miles from the conflict zone. I know Khmelnytskyi. Why is Russia attacking that city? It’s like if Texas and Mexico were at war and Mexico started lobbing rockets into Florida.

Both Poland and Moldova have seen Russian rockets flying over them as well as ukrainian ones. To them, a single stray Ukrainian rocket fired in defence, landing in a field, could be an accident but Ukraine wouldn’t have happened at all if Russia wasn’t firing so deep into Ukraine that either its rockets or the Ukrainian defense rockets could stray into neighboring countries.

You know what’s really funny? No Russian OR Ukrainian rockets seem to have gone astray into Belarus. Could be because Russia can’t risk firing at targets near the border; it’s already losing the CSTO room and can’t afford a stray Russian rocket hitting the only ally it still has west of Moscow.

The Budapest Memorandum applied to Belarus too, and Lukashenko is in charge of a country that doesn’t want war with Ukraine. So if Lukashenko is ousted, Belarus will almost certainly switch sides. That’s why Russia won’t risk it.

But it’s happy to take the risk with western Ukraine and its neighbors. That’s got to stop.


109 posted on 11/25/2022 12:13:07 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce
Why Idiot still have lights, etc. when his own people don't?
110 posted on 11/25/2022 12:14:23 AM PST by cranked
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To: EEGator

To defend democracy, sovereignty and human rights of course.

Don’t folks ever get bored of these emotional slogans (no substance) intended to rally them around some cause?

Don’t get me wrong, democracy, sovereignty, freedom and human rights are noble causes. But that’s not what our support of a fake democratic regime (”we” picked many of their key leaders and installed them) that oppresses free speech and their political opposition, shut down radio stations and jail dissidents, which abused the Russian minorities when in power, is about.

Sovereignty: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-2607995

Democracy: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/ukraine-bans-political-opposition/

Today these battlecry’s are vapid slogans. We selectively apply them, i.e. they’re not a big concern for us regards Saudi Arabia, the PRC or Jordan... It’s just a perceptive argument the marionette player (the oligarchs in the West that stand to economically benefit) use to get the ignorant masses behind their cause.

But one thing is for sure, I have yet to find anyone that can make a realistic national security argument for our involvement in this war.


111 posted on 11/27/2022 8:04:02 AM PST by Red6
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