And Ukraine had no capability to use those nuclear arms even if they wanted to keep them.
If I had been advising the fledgling Ukrainian government back in the early 1990s I would have told them never to sign onto that deal -- because I wouldn't have any confidence in EITHER nation (the U.S. as much as Russia) to abide by its terms. They made their decision. Let them live with it. It's not my problem, and it's not a matter that is anything close to a compelling interest for the U.S.
So you’ve deliberately blurred the line between the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the sovereignty of any given nation in the world.
***Not really. I see the line at Ukraine’s borders because it’s so stark. But you don’t even see that an invasion is a violation of such an agreement. If there’s any deliberate blurring of lines, it’s from you.
You’re talking around in circles here, dude.
***No I’m not. The ukes were invaded and you don’t even see it as a violation of the Budapest Agreement which wimply calls out the signatories to “respect” Ukraine’s borders.
And Ukraine had no capability to use those nuclear arms even if they wanted to keep them.
***Ukraine has 15 nuke power plants; they have the learnings of Chernobyl; they have plenty of nuke engineers; they had the weapons grade material; and now they have the motivation to build such nukes, seein as how giving them up has invited 2 invasions of their territory and tens of thousands of dead Ukes.
If I had been advising the fledgling Ukrainian government back in the early 1990s I would have told them never to sign onto that deal
***Sumthin we can both agree on.
— because I wouldn’t have any confidence in EITHER nation (the U.S. as much as Russia) to abide by its terms.
***We can still live up to those terms, if we help them restore their borders & sovereignty — repairing the damage might be sumthin no one can do. Russia has invaded twice, over oil & gas reserves, so they’re completely untrustworthy.
They made their decision. Let them live with it.
***We don’t have to betray them. And the display of callous disregard for a country which did the right thing is sickening, you guys are sociopaths.
It’s not my problem, and it’s not a matter that is anything close to a compelling interest for the U.S.
***It’s extremely close compelling for the US because we learnt the lesson of wussy appeasement from 1938 Sudetenland against another tyrant who eventually caused 50 - 60 million deaths; we are pushing the Ukes into a nuke corner where they will develop their own nukes in their existential war — after all, that’s what we did; we need to get nuke nonproliferation correct or every tinhorn dictator will be building nukes; and it is simply the right thing to do, not betray a country that honored a nuke nonproliferation agreement and was invaded as a result of it.