That was not Pence’s job. He just counts the electoral votes and certifies them.
It is *everybody’s* job to act with integrity. Pence fell short on that one, bigly.
“That was not Pence’s job. He just counts the electoral votes and certifies them.”
Therefore it is his job.
Agreed. People here would have had a duck fit if Al Gore did what they were urging Mike Pence to do.
There’s ANOTHER stupid, by EEGator!
Apparently you’ve never been trusted to have a job important enough to be the one to have to ‘certify’ something.
Certify does not mean ‘rubber stamp’ any crap you have been given.
I have to certify software (for a living) - If I certify something and then it fails and someone dies, guess who is going to be among those held responsible.
The Constitution does not say that the VP counts the votes, they say he must CERTIFY the count. If there were questions about the validity, he had every right to wait and address those question.
Otherwise why be asked to certify? They know the count- anyone could count them.
That was not Pence’s job. He just counts the electoral votes and certifies them.
His job was not even to count or certify the votes. He announces the results given to him by the tellers. The function of the Vice President of the Senate was reduced to a ministerial one.
Amendment XIIThe electors ... they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President....
The Constitution does not say a word about the President of the Senate counting votes or certifying anything. He opens the certificates and gives them to the tellers. The tellers count them and tally the result. The tellers give the results to the President of the Senate and he announces the result given to him by the tellers.
That is prescribed by Federal statute law not inconsistent with the Constitution.
https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2018/title-3/chapter-1/sec-15/
3 U.S.C. § 15 (2018)Counting electoral votes in Congress
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)
It had to be this way. People had to see how rotten and evil the other side is. And I don’t just mean demshevik vs repub. I mean Good vs Evil.
The election theft has to be totally exposed, stolen results overturned, and the real winners (other seats stolen besides POTUS) brought back. The diamonds have to be returned.