Posted on 03/12/2022 7:41:11 AM PST by shadowlands1960
A senior Russian official warned on March 12 that Moscow could target Western shipments of military equipment to Ukraine.
Speaking on state television, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said that Moscow has warned the United States that it would see the deliveries of Western weapons to Ukraine as targets.
Ryabkov said Russia “warned the U.S. that pumping weapons from a number of countries it orchestrates isn’t just a dangerous move, it’s an action that makes those convoys legitimate targets.”
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How do they plan to get those Polish Migs from Germany to Ukrainian airfields. In the back of a truck? Fly them there?
While we know now the Lusitania was carrying arms, I don’t believe it was clear at the time, despite the German High Command’s warnings. You are right though, the sinking of Lusitania permanently changed American attitudes to the war in Europe to the side of intervention.
Yes. The problem is Russia might well respond.
But if Biden would have only left the threat open, that would have tied down substantial Russian forces to guard against a possible NATO involvement.
He should be telling Putin every day that Russia is going too far and may push the West to greater action.
If Biden were a warrior, he’d let Putin in Ukraine (like he did) but then say gee I didn’t know you’d handle this so poorly, I’m afraid we have to intervene now.
So after these B2 bomber strikes you reference, what does Russia do? Say, “gee I’m sorry about all this, ‘a cup o’ tea perhaps?’ Or do they start leveling American cities? You firebrands on this site sure lack the capacity to ‘think through’ Growing up in the Cold War I don’t remember even the hardest core paleo-conservatives’ having such a dismissive view of Russian power.
They want to fly the planes in, because well they are planes.
Russia has strategic and tactical nukes, more than we have, in case anybody forgot.
If Russia goes down in a fiery Götterdämmerung, Putin will see to it that the rest of the world goes down with him. Do you doubt this?
Duh!
Of course they would.
No, it isn't. Putin wants absolutely no part of a shooting war with NATO and will do everything possible to avoid that.
We should only be sending humanitarian aid if anything. No big surprise that Russians would try and stop weapons going to Ukraine. We shouldn’t be sending any thing since they are handing out military equipment to criminals and neo nazis.
Russia sends two S-400 battalions to Belarus for drills - Interfax
I’m not dismissive of Russian nuclear power.
The problem is you can’t avoid war in Europe by allowing war in Europe.
Biden was an idiot announcing of course Russia can invade and we’re evacuating.
Now, can Russia lose without us getting drawn in directly? No idea.
Our problem is Biden’s weakness. If he were a strong or intelligent person, he’d be on the phone to Putin every day saying “Are you crazy you’re pulling us closer and closer into conflict” Maybe he is doing that.
I’m certain Putin’s team wants to avoid a wider war. Yes they have nuclear weapons but his generals don’t want their army destroyed and it can easily be destroyed.
Our forces are not all sitting in Ukraine and cannot be so easily reached.
If you don’t think strategically and exploit strategic advantages, you end up in a strategic disaster.
But don’t worry because Milley and our current generals want to go nowhere near a fight with Russia.
The day Biden tells them otherwise is when Russia would consider withdrawing.
But again, Biden won’t do that. He just wants Ukraine to fall so he can continue sanctions.
Obviously, planes, trucks, and railcars shipping weapons into Ukraine in this context are absolutely military targets, and it isn’t even much of a stretch to say the airports and dockyards where they transit are also legitimate military targets.
Kind of like when the US and allies targeted arms depots in Russia, China, etc when they were actively killing our boys in Vietnam and Korea? F##k Russia.....send in every weapon you can to kill commies. Hell, paint an F22 in Ukrainian paint and start stacking bodies. Paint up some A-10s with UKE AF paint and get to work.
If a country chooses not to be neutral in this, they shouldn’t be surprised when things start flying their way.
Yeah, but Russia had 600 nukes and we had 6000+ in the early 60s.
Hmmm…..
A few facts about that little crisis. Like 75% of the ballistic missile capability was in Cuba, or being transported at the time. A US first strike on Cuba would have been the end of the Soviets. No joke. They backed down when they realized they were vulnerable (and they were). Curtis LeMay would have obliterated them, and he was biting at the bit, with nuclear capable bombers loaded already flying over their territory. LeMay was in a position to overstate the Soviet capabilities for funding, but was aware of their limitations, the ‘missile gap’.
I am glad it ended the way it did, but the history should give a lesson about how the Soviets and KGB think and operate. As it applies to today, because it seems Putin appears to operate on the same lines, Putin is overstretched in Ukraine and vulnerable. That message was sent by his propaganda arms threatening nuclear exchange, and confirmed by poor performance on the battlefield thus far.
What the world needs now, and what Putin needs, is a peaceful resolution or victory BEFORE his vehicles are stuck in the spring mud and 40% of his armed forces amputated. Once spring hits, this has the potential of a never ending war that will devastate both Russia and Ukraine.
“If Russia goes down in a fiery Götterdämmerung, Putin will see to it that the rest of the world goes down with him. Do you doubt this?”
There is exactly one thing Putin fears worse than Russian defeat - the threat to his own ass.
If he thinks he’ll die in a war, or at his own people’s hands, or after a war crimes trial, he’ll smile and run and hide like every bully.
Could be destroy Russia like Hitler destroyed Germany? Maybe but i don’t see Putin committing suicide. He’s a selfish bastard.
One assumes that anything in Ukraine that potentially is used against Russia is fair game to be destroyed, and in fact, must be destroyed. that is what we would do.
But this is not "just like Vietnam", because the Russians have concrete objectives and they are trying to achieve them using military force.
Post-Vietnam, how many people here have advocated the position that "the job of the military is to kill people and blow things up"?
The American military in Vietnam, in Iraq, and in Afghanistan had no mission achievable by military means.
In Ukraine, the Russian objectives and the correct employment of military means are perfectly aligned. The Russians are there to kill people and blow up things until Ukraine surrenders. They are not there to tell them what to do with their women, or to promote LGBTQ+ to their children, or to build schools for girls.
They may win or they may lose, but at least they are not operating under modern American ROI.
No, we would apologize for any environmental damage caused and promise to build several trans-friendly kid's amusement parks.
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