On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination

Doctors for COVID Ethics ^ | 15 December 2021 | Sucharit Bhakdi, MD and Arne Burkhardt, MD via Video

[bagster]

While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness.

No, not alone. But the massive number of 'coincidences' signals a problem, which is what VAERS was intended for in the first place.

It would be helpful if anybody from CDC honestly investigated the reports and did autopsies. Sorta like that guy in Scotland did who found all kindsa vaccine damage to internal organs.

But CDC isn't in the truth or science business. They're in the propaganda and profit business. And you are their puppet.

Yea, Vaxrick. So you're partially right, but mostly wrong as usual.

#BagsterFactCheck

[bagster]

Worse. It has turned into the Steaming Pile of COVID Misinformation Zone (SPCMZ). The stench is giving the Free Republic a bad reputation.

As it turns out. Freepers are not government lab rabbits and Fauci sheep after all. That seems to bother you.

You cluster of sheeply rabbits are what gives FreeRepublic.com a bad reputation, and license to the derp state oppressors and perpetrators to continue on.

#EnemyOfThePeople

[bagster]

We can damn well criticize the misinformation spewed on these threads.

So then we can criticize the mountains of 'misinformation' (lies) spewed by Fauci/CDC/NIH/WHO/Derpocrats/Fake New/The government and the likes of you?

Awesome. Now shut your hypocritical vax pimping Kamala hole.

[bagster]

Obviously calling the vaccination of children "experimentation" is your ideology attacking science.

No, dear rabbit. When you force a serum into humans that when tested for side effects during development of the 'technolgoy' all the test animals died, that's called an 'experiment'. I'd call it worse than that. But you call it good. Why?

[bagster]

We vaccinate children because they can be COVID spreaders even when their infection is shorter and not life threatening.

So you concur that the fake poison vax does not immunize anybody from the virus. Good for you.

But I'm wondering. If little children can spread the 'virus', and you're vaccinated, what's the problem? Doesn't the fake posion vax prevent you from a.) getting covid, b.) spreading the 'virus'. c.) having serious complications up to and including hospitalization and death?

You rabbits and your pretzel logic.

[bagster]

How can anyone post anything Bhakdi says when his credibility has been torn to shreds?

Guess what, rabbit. When people who are wrong (like you) 'tear down' someone, that don't make them 'torn down'. Did the derp's constant 'tearing down' of Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, and on and on tear their credibility to shreds?

Have you been so blinded by the ideology that vaccines are bad; that you have swallowed the poison of every scammer using misinformation for their own profit; using the Andrew Wakefield school of fraud?

Have you been so blinded by the ideology that these vaccines are good; that you have swallowed the poison of every scammer using LIES for their own profit; using the Hillary Clinton school of fraud?

These important questions need answers.

[jonrick46]

". . . all the test animals died . . ."

The claim that coronavirus vaccine manufacturers stopped testing shots on animals because they all died is all wrong. All three coronavirus vaccines approved for emergency use in the United States were tested on animals.

Manufacturers didn't stop animal trials after "all the animals involved died." They tested their vaccines on rabbits, mice, rats, hamsters and primates, according to Food and Drug Administration documents. There is no evidence of widespread animal deaths resulting, much less all of them.

https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/

[jonrick46]

I have swallowed the good pill that the vaccines are good. When I see people who say, "Don't look up!" I look up and see the folly of not doing the same thing we have done since George Washington mandated Small Pox vaccinations for his troops:

Get the vaccine!

And then, watch the movie, Don't Look Up.

[David Chase]

“ However the reason we post factual vaccine injury data is for the sake of children being forced into medical experimentation, people losing their jobs because of vaxx mandates, and vaccine dead and injured”
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Jan, I actually like you. I don’t think you’re a bad person.

I’m curious………….these anti-vaccine threads have been going on now for 11 months………
Numerous threads, and daily threads.
On some days the main page is flooded with them.

So these are being posted in that manner for the children?
Well I’ve heard that before…….mostly from Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi.

Obama raised cigarette taxes $2 a pack, for the children.

How many children have these constant threads saved do you suppose?
How many Freepers (in child bearing years) are here and have missed the first 6 months of these threads?

People are losing their jobs because of mandates, indeed, that’s correct.
I don’t know anyone here that agrees or disagrees with these threads that are pro-mandates.

So how many jobs have these threads saved?
Or, how many people that have lost their jobs have these threads helped find other employment?

The last of your comment regarding vaccine deaths or injuries.

If there are 20,000 vaccine deaths, but late last spring I recall a supposed lawsuit that was popular on Twitter being boasted about because 48,000 children had died from vaccines (even though children were not getting vaccinated yet)……..

Sure seems like those numbers float up and down and around and around.

So about 220,000,000 Americans have had at least one Covid vaccine of any type……..20,000 dead is .01%.

Still, we don’t know if that number is true because ANYONE (you or I ) can make a report to VAERS.
So if someone wants to blame, or thinks the cause is a vaccine because Grandma died at age 94 just weeks after getting vaccinated, they will without facts, testing, autopsy report what the THINK to VAERS.

That’s just not reliable. Or is it?

I mean, I know I can be a slow learner sometimes………..but do you and others really need these daily dramatic bombshell after bombshell threads?

Because as slow of a learner I can be, I get it. I understand.
Some people think the vaccines are bad, even dangerous.
Some people think the vaccines help prevent severe SARS infections.

[agere_contra]

Did Washington's troops still transmit Smallpox anyway?

Did they still die of Smallpox anyway?

Did they need Smallpox boosters every six months?

[David Chase]

“ It’s not as if people in many places have a choice as to whether or not they want to take the vaccine.

Here and abroad... it is either take the vaccine or lose your means of livelihood. In some places, it’s even coming to a point where they’ll force you to take it or go to jail.”
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How exactly has 11 months of posting daily never ending Thread after Thread of this type of material helped people that have or are about to lose their job?

The jail thing is disputable, but let’s say it’s true………

How has flooding FreeRepublic with anti-vaccine publications prevent or changed the policy in other Countries from jailing their people?

How does endorsing and posting Blogs that claim their are parasites in vaccines save jobs and end arrest in other countries?

[devere]

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. We must do our best to adhere to the truth, no matter what.

[agere_contra]

The Revolutionary War took eight years.

The Cold War took decades: in places like North Korea it is still not over.

In the United States the war in the defence of the unborn is still ongoing.

Historic struggles for freedom take a while. 11 months is nothing.

[David Chase]

Very good reply.
Well done.

In this situation I don’t agree, but your comment was excellent.

[devere]

Your use of the genetic fallacy is quite pathetic. “Don’t believe the obvious truth because the man telling you the truth is a bad person.” Isn’t that what they said about Donald Trump for four years?

[agere_contra]

Thank you for your kind words David: much appreciated.

I must go and do things for friends now: wishing you all a very Merry Christmas.

[T.B. Yoits]

We vaccinate children because they can be COVID spreaders even when their infection is shorter and not life threatening.

The pharmaceutical korporations and government cronies admit the Jim Jones Jab doesn't prevent anyone from getting nor spreading COVID-19^{84 and instead claim it "lessens symptoms".}

Yet you claim it's because children could be spreaders.

[Pollard]

The bigger question is, why are there a handful of pro-Vax people who come on these threads and turn them into multi-page argument/insult sessions? Your arguments are mostly in the form of insults, yet you say the people your insulting are allegedly ‘making FR look bad’.

You’re supposed to avoid stepping in BS but some of you seem to like swimming in what you say is while complaining about it.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Jan, I actually like you. I don’t think you’re a bad person.

I don’t care what you, or anyone thinks of me. Live birthing children on ice and their dismemberment to harvest cells for vaccine testing and development, is evil. Medical experiments on kids, is evil. Medical tyranny in the form of forced experimental injections, is evil. I have and continue to protect my children from these evils as much as possible. I believe others are waking up to these evils to protect their children.

Regardless, if I was the last person on earth defending children from evil, I would do so to my dying breath.

Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones

[bagster]

*Point/Counterpoint*

All the animals didn't die

Oh, but they did mon ami....

What Happened in the Animal Trials for mRNA vaccines?

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An interesting fact to note is no animal study went beyond 56 days presumably because the immediate goal was to prove mRNA vaccines could mount a good immune response with little acute adverse effects. Hence, we have no data even in animal studies as to long term adverse effects of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are still considered experimental and people receiving these vaccines are part of the experiment.Bottom line is we don’t know the long term adverse effects. What can we learn from the animal studies?

This study is sited by some researchers who imply, ‘All animals died from autoimmune lung disease after receiving the vaccine upon being challenged with the virus’ Is this true? The paper states,” evaluations of an inactivated whole virus vaccine (similar to customary vaccines) in ferrets, nonhuman primates; and a virus-like-particle in mice induced protection against infection but challenged animals (those administered vaccines) exhibited an immunopathologic-type lung disease.”*

“The virus-like-particle was an rDNA produced S protein injected in mice on day 0 and 28, some were sacrificed for serum antibody measurements and the rest challenged with the virus on day 56. On day 56 those mice were sacrificed and lungs obtained for virus and pathology”*

Yes. All the animals died. Would they have lived had they not been 'sacraficed'? Did they die from the vax? Read on, rabbit.

The papers’ conclusion was “These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”*

All the vaccines used in this research experiment in 2012 triggered hypersensitivity of Th2 immunity. Th2 cells are a subset of CD4+ T helper cells hence the name Th2. The results from this study showed as Th2 immunity triggered by the vaccines increased, the body’s defense system was pushed out of balance and this reaction started to cause tissue breakdown in the lung. This, of course, is concerning.

To be fair...

However, the vaccines given in this paper were not the same as the current mRNA vaccines. The challenging virus was, of course, not SARS-CoV-2. The animals did not die of the disease, they were sacrificed. All other statements concerning this paper are opinions. Does this paper have anything to do with the current vaccines?

Are the vaccines the same technology (MRNA)? It seems fair to ask that question since you claim these current vaccines have been teste for tweny years. Of course they have not.

And of course it does put the lie to you rabbit's claim that these current fake vaccines have been studied for tens of years and that all the animals in the trials didn't die. They did.

Maybe not of the virus per se, they were 'sacrificed'. The fake vaccines gave some short term immunity while at the same time jacking up the poor wee little micey's immune system making them hypersensitive to the virus (or similar variants I assume as well as other bad things immune systems fight).

Furthermore, because the animals were 'sacrificed' (killed), there of course can be long term data on the fake vaccines. But we do know they jack up the body's immune system.

Its like how Doctor Yueh brought down House Atreide's shield wall in Arrakis which allowed the House Harkonnen to invade and wipe them out, if that makes it easier for you to understand.

The vax people knew of these studies, they're the once that conducted them. And yet, here we are. Getting that poison glop shot into our arms.

Well, not all of us. Just the sheeply rabbits who do what they're told.