Posted on 10/07/2021 8:26:00 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
During the time period in question, unvaccinated people reportedly accounted for 257,357 Delta cases out of 593,572 total Delta cases (approximately 43 percent), and 722 out of 2,542 Delta deaths (approximately 28 percent) “within 28 days of positive specimen date.” What does that mean? It means that the vast majority of Delta deaths in England during this period occurred among vaccinated people, NOT unvaccinated people.
What’s missing from this is the fraction of the population was vaxed.
If 90% were vaxed (which is not unrealistic) and only 10% unvaxed, and 28% of the deaths came from the unvaxed, that means the unvaxed are dying at about three times the rate of the vaxed.
Do you disagree with my numbers? If so tell me where I went wrong.
You do realize you’re not making any sense, right?
If I have something that is more likely to keep me alive by a factor of three to one, it will certainly gain my attention and focus.
I’m neither pro or anti Vax, just pro facts.
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The information I’m using is the one presented by antivaxers who are using that info to prove how awful the vaccine is.
In other words they think that those numbers support their case, when in fact the opposite is true.
Ihey’re putting on display their ignorance of simple math.
our citizens are being required to be used as experimental lab rats while our government doesn’t require the invaders it’s spreading across our country to participate in the same experiment...
In other words, per the CDC itself, using an apples-to-apples comparison, some 22,916 more people died last month “from/with” COVID than did so a year ago in September. Now, of course, I suppose it is fair to say that in September 2020, much of the country was in more of a “lockdown” mode that was the case last month. At the same time, it seems important to note that in September 2020, no one in the U.S. had been vaccinated.
Further, one might have imagined that those most vulnerable to COVID would have for the most part succumbed in the initial pandemic wave(s) in 2020, leaving less “dry kindling,” as it were, at the present time.
I don’t know myself what to make of these data. The death statistics are broken out at the state level as well. Makes for interesting reading, but I’m not smart enough, I don’t think, to identify any meaningful patterns.
Some ideas: the tests are inaccurate.
The present variants are more contagious and there more new infections September of this year than September of last year.
If we knew the number of people with natural immunity, I guess we should be able to estimate how many more remain to be infected.
You’re wrong.
Data from Israel and the UK refute this.
No, you’re not.
Swine Flu vaccine got pulled from the market after 50 deaths.
The COVID jabs number in the tens of thousands *reported* to VAERs, and the actual number including unreported is closer to 150,000.
Read the more recent report:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1022238/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_39.pdf
If I read this correctly:
Page 8 - If you are going to get vaccinated, go with Moderna.
Page 14 - Looking at cases per 100,000, starting at about age 40, you are MORE likely to get the virus if you are vaccinated.
HOWEVER, and again looking at cases per 100,000, the charts on pages 15 and 16 show your are FAR more likely to need hospitalization or die if you have NOT been vaccinated.
I am only talking about deaths though, and the vaccine is working in preventing that.
I agree. As I read the report, in looking at cases per 100,000:
Starting at about age 40, you are MORE likely to get the virus if you are vaccinated. HOWEVER, you are FAR more likely to need hospitalization or die if you have NOT been vaccinated.
Thus the vaccines are saving lives.
In GA we are 44% vaxxed and 56% unvaxxed:
Ga DPH data (from Jan 2 to Oct 5, vax was rolled out to the gemeral population in April)
Breakthrough Cases - 60,183
Hospitalizations of breakthrough cases - 2,300 (3.82%)
Deaths of breakthrough cases - 758 (1.26%)
Unvaccinated (including partially vaxxed and vaxxed <14 days)
Cases - 814,643
Hospitalizations of - 36,242 (4.44%)
Deaths - 10,205 (1.25%)
I have been tracking this for 5 weeks, the number of vaxxed hospitalizations and deaths are rising faster than the “unvaxxed”
If you adjust by vax/unvaxxed percentages, it is even worse for the vaxxed.
That is not including all of the people vaxxed within 14 days who are part of the unvaxxed numbers.
Not safe. Not effective. Not worth the risk.
“our citizens are being required to be used as experimental lab rats while our government doesn’t require the invaders it’s spreading across our country to participate in the same experiment...”
That’s a different issue. I’m not in favor of the government forcing you to take it.
I was simply presenting the numbers as to whether it’s better to take it or not.
I’m 73 years old with some serious heart conditions. I decided to take it, but I wouldn’t push it on anyone.
“Swine Flu vaccine got pulled from the market after 50 deaths.”
And what was the mortality rate of those that had gotten the swine flu vax vs those who hadn’t?
Those are the only numbers that matter in making an intelligent choice.
Nope. Age, comorbidities, and severity in general come into it; as well as long-term side effects.
Vioxx was FDA-approved and pulled after it caused 180,000 heart attacks.
“Nope. Age, comorbidities, and severity in general come into it; as well as long-term side effects.”
Of course, that goes without saying. You obviously look at the mortality rate for people in your age group and in similar condition.
If that Vax was pulled it was because it was causing more harm than good. Common sense no?
But, you do what you want. I’m not here to push the vax just trying to make sense of the available data and make a somewhat informed decision on my own, to the extent that it’s possible, independent of what either of the political sides is pushing.
I’m as weary of what our side pushes out of political motivation as the other side.
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