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>How does the whole NIATONIN thing work?
Telegram and FR | September 9, 2021 | Dr. Dmitry Kats (interpreted)

Posted on 09/09/2021 6:58:17 AM PDT by numberonepal

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To: AZLiberty

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181 posted on 10/06/2021 3:16:56 AM PDT by TBall
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To: numberonepal

I love them but do they come in a low calorie version? :-)


182 posted on 10/06/2021 3:55:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative (My goal in life is to be the person my dog's think I am)
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To: 17strings

I don’t think you need a truck load. They’re so much more bioavailable. Try the powdered mellie in gel caps to delay release in the gut. That may also help with doses that are high.


183 posted on 10/06/2021 5:44:41 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: AZLiberty

I’m thinking anything fermented might be an interesting vector to pursue. Clif High just did a vidya on fermentation called Buttermilk Woo.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F0YiYRG8hYkO/


184 posted on 10/06/2021 5:46:15 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: Tennessee Conservative

You eat a handful of these and it will curb your appetite for sure.


185 posted on 10/06/2021 5:46:57 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: Tennessee Conservative; nclaurel; Mr. K; 17strings; AZLiberty; Mama25; jacquej; Mazey
Experiment this morning.
50 pistachios in a smoothie.
Waited 15 mins after smoothia and took 750mg niacin.
NO FLUSH!


186 posted on 10/06/2021 5:49:09 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: numberonepal

Later.!


187 posted on 10/06/2021 5:59:04 AM PDT by unread (Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire)
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To: numberonepal

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188 posted on 10/06/2021 6:03:50 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: numberonepal

LOL, I put a big bag in my grocery cart for the next online pickup. I love them but they are one of those things that if I eat half a cup I end up eating the whole bag. I’ll have to work on my self control.


189 posted on 10/06/2021 6:22:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative (My goal in life is to be the person my dog's think I am)
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190 posted on 10/06/2021 6:50:31 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: Tennessee Conservative

Getting the kind in the shells can help control. LOL.


191 posted on 10/06/2021 6:51:13 AM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: numberonepal

Yep. You spend a lot of time and energy shucking them.


192 posted on 10/06/2021 6:57:55 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative (My goal in life is to be the person my dog's think I am)
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To: AZLiberty

Funnily enough, my desire for beer or wine has diminished a lot over the last couple years. I used to have 3 or 4 beers or glasses of wine per week, now I don’t even do that much in a month. I can believe they’ve got melatonin, though, as they always makes me sleepy and I can only drink them at night.

I don’t know what changed. I’ve always been a “follow my instinct” kind of person when it comes to eating and drinking. I eat when I’m hungry, drink when thirsty and stop when I’m full, mostly. And I think I can say it’s served me well (though it’s the complete opposite of my husband’s habits. But what else is new?)


193 posted on 10/06/2021 8:12:29 AM PDT by 17strings (There are 2 means of refuge from the miseries of life, music & cats. - A. Schweitzer)
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To: numberonepal

I discovered over a week ago that the only way to take the powdered melatonin is to put it in caps. Too harsh on the throat to swallow otherwise. Burns.

As to the truckload of pistachios. I meant that to keep me going for a while, assuming I could eat enough of them to help, and still have room left over for other food. I don’t want to go on a monodiet of pistachios! But, since 50 did nothing to curb my flush. I have a hunch that mere 3 lb. bags would be used up in short order.

If Dr Dimitry gets serious about planting a pistachio farm somewhere, then he should seriously think about concocting some kind of highly concentrated pistachio extract, with all the good stuff and no added fillers or flavors. I’d buy that!


194 posted on 10/06/2021 8:23:35 AM PDT by 17strings (There are 2 means of refuge from the miseries of life, music & cats. - A. Schweitzer)
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To: 17strings

So yesterday I ended my break which only lasted a day. I definitely felt much better low-dosing again. The higher dose I’d reached previously (375M 800N) was making me feel loopy, but back down to 200M and 500N, I was actually quite energetic. Only felt a very minor tingle on my ears and face that didn’t last more than 20 minutes. I exercised vigorously for almost an hour, weight training with dumbbells and then doing over 600 reps on my ab-lounger out on the patio. Not bad. Slept well, woke up refreshed.


195 posted on 10/06/2021 8:36:48 AM PDT by 17strings (There are 2 means of refuge from the miseries of life, music & cats. - A. Schweitzer)
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To: 17strings

Some Maffs:

Basically a 1lb (453g) bag of pistachios contains about 100mg or highly bioavailable melatonin. Example: I normally had to take 150mg melatonin with 750mg niacin to not flush. Today I ate about 30g (50) of pistachios and 750mg niacin and no flush.

1 pistachio carries about 0.22mg of melatonin. If I ate 50 pistachios, I ingested approximately 11mg melatonin. You can see that supplement melatonin is inferior in a big way to getting from a natural source. That’s an 11/150 ratio. Take your normal mellie dose and multiply it by .073, then divide that by .22 and that will give you the rough number of pistachios to eat.


196 posted on 10/06/2021 1:13:26 PM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: 17strings

Nice to hear. Now switch to pistachios. I’m betting you’ll be eating less than a half ounce of pistachios. See my post about a rough calculation.


197 posted on 10/06/2021 1:14:48 PM PDT by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: numberonepal

Interesting math.

The literature says that melatonin has about 3% “bioavailability” when taken by mouth in pure form, with typical variations from 1.5% to 4.5%. For the past few days I’ve been taking about 600 mg of melatonin with my gram of niacin. (I have to say that this has greatly reduced my energy, even though I still have a mild flush.

I’ll assume that my body utilizes melatonin at the lower end of the range, so that 600 mg makes 1.5% * 600 = 9 mg available for use in my body. Dividing by .22, that suggests I need about 40 pistachios for my 1000 mg of niacin.

For the first time, I’m going to be super careful and try 40P with only 500N.


198 posted on 10/06/2021 1:47:07 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Awaiting the return of the king -- and I don't mean Elvis.)
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To: numberonepal
You can compress your calculation, of course. If you multiply by 0.073 and then divide by 0.22, you might as well just multiply by 0.073 / 0.22, which is 0.33, or basically 1/3. As in your example, 150 mg melatonin * 1/3 = 50 pistachios. Or you can think of it as dividing your milligram dose by 3 to get your number of pistachios.

You're at the low end of mg melatonin use, so you have a high bioavailability factor, which you basically calculated to be 7.3% (assuming that 100% of the melatonin in pistachios is bioavailable). I need a lot of oral melatonin, which is why I estimated my bioavailability factor at 1.5%.

Another odd "coincidence" today: while listening to the radio on the way back from my morning pistachio shopping trip to Costco, I heard an ad for some new brand of tart cherry juice, extolling its provision of antioxidants, anti-inflammatories, and -- drum roll -- melatonin. They actually recommended tart cherry juice (presumably Montmorency cherries) as a sleep aid.

I don't know how many cherries are equivalent to a pistachio, but this might be another way to get your melatonin. If I'd known before my shopping trip, I would have picked up some dried Montmorency cherries at Costco while getting my pistachios.

Another by-the-way: our Costco does not sell unsalted pistachios, so I bought their 1.5 lbs of no-shell pistachios for $13.99. A 1-oz serving ("approx. 49 kernels") has about 7% of the RDA for sodium. I also bought a 12-oz bag of "lightly salted" pistachios at Target for $11.99. A 1-oz serving of those has about 3% of the RDA for sodium. Almost twice the money -- less than half the salt.

199 posted on 10/06/2021 2:14:14 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Awaiting the return of the king -- and I don't mean Elvis.)
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Reading up on it more, I don’t think cherries are a significant source of melatonin. Montmorency cherries have about 13.5 nanograms (billionths of a gram) in one gram of fruit flesh, so you would need to eat about 60 kg of fresh pitted cherries to get one milligram of melatonin.

By comparison, IIRC, pistachio nuts (dried, no shell) have about 6.6 mg melatonin per oz or about 1/4 mg melatonin per gram. Thus you would need to eat about 4 grams of pistachio to get one milligram of melatonin. You would only need to eat 10 kg of Rainier cherries to get 1 mg of melatonin.

IF tart cherries help people get to sleep, it can’t just be the melatonin. By the way, Rainier cherries have about six times as much melatonin as Montmorency cherries — still not a significant source.


200 posted on 10/06/2021 3:24:18 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Awaiting the return of the king -- and I don't mean Elvis.)
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