Posted on 09/06/2021 12:03:33 PM PDT by rebuildus
nor pharisees striding about condemning a short tithe.
***That is what I’m keying up on, these Martha pharisees. They don’t like it. The Lord is very direct in chastising Martha and y’all don’t accept the rebuke.
I call out abuse and evil and lies when I see it.
***Same here.
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world ?
***Yes, WILL. But in the meantime we are told NOT to. Pharisaically cling to the desire to judge.
I think you are teaching something false but you at least appear to be trying to take in the whole biblical picture. Most pharisee Marshas don’t even try.
“Judge not that ye be not judged” is the unbelievers’ favorite partial and truncated verse/teaching for a reason.
***That gives my contention more weight, because unbelievers are seriously turned off by the judgementalism of Martha pharisees in our midst.
I am not arguing for clinging to a pharasaical desire to judge.
I am arguing that this is a sinful way of judging and a right way. Scripture lines it out. To piously sit by while terrible things are happening imagining you are holy is just as wrong as being a Pharisee.
Continuing to call me a Martha is perjorative and ugly. Martha wasn’t even that bad IMO - certainly she focused on a wrong priority but it was understandable; and the story rather kindly illustrates the value of devotion over works while not belittling service. Much service is extolled in Scripture, say, washing feet or alms or housing the Samaritan or making clothes for the poor. It was just a matter of when and where and Jesus instructing her does so kindly. Not like she is a raging b*
Continuing to call me a Martha is perjorative and ugly.
***Why is that, since you go out of your way to reduce her infraction? If she WAS out of line then it is appropriate to label it such, and to point you to it as an admonition from the Lord. If she WASN’T out of line, then why did the Lord come down against her? He did so because she was serving with the hopes of recognition of her hospitality skills.
Martha wasn’t even that bad IMO
***Then why is it a “perjorative and ugly” to call you a Martha? If the shoe fits, wear it. [Not a biblical expression]
- certainly she focused on a wrong priority
***Just as you and others are doing so, right on this thread and one other.
but it was understandable;
***Of COURSE it’s understandable, but we Mary’s need a polite way to tell you Martha’s to sit down and shut up.
and the story rather kindly
***The parallel stories of Jesus confronting false teachers of His day weren’t so “kind”, were they? After years of taking the ‘kind’ approach I have given in to the frustration of finding ways to get you marthas to shut the hell up and sit down.
illustrates the value of devotion over works while not belittling service.
***But yet you Marthas go out of your way to justify her actions, ignoring the Lord’s chastisement.
Much service is extolled in Scripture, say, washing feet or alms or housing the Samaritan or making clothes for the poor.
***Yes, and Martha’s service was not extolled. Her heart was not in the right place.
It was just a matter of when and where and Jesus instructing her does so kindly.
***It was a matter of her heart — she was focused on getting credit for being a great hostess, when all that was required was a few quick sandwiches.
Not like she is a raging b*
***Lotsa Marthas have become raging B*es in our church today, so it’s time to step up the rhetoric to anti-pharisaical, anti-FalseTeacher level of vehemence. Please tell me a polite way to tell Marthas a way to sit down and shut the hell up, a way that they will listen. Because they DON’T listen, they act as if their way was the superior way, exactly the same way Martha acted.
Or do you accuse Christ of being unChristlike whenHe was calling people like you ‘sons of satan’?
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I don’t accuse Christ of anything but I do accuse YOU of being grossly ignorant of the enormous crimes that have been perpetrated throughout history because timid and/or cowardly people refused to be judgemental while tyrants and murderers were committing genocide. If you wish to be muzzled by such criminals then SHAME ON YOU!
Or do you accuse Christ of being unChristlike whenHe was calling people like you ‘sons of satan’?
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I don’t accuse Christ of anything but I do accuse YOU of being grossly ignorant of the enormous crimes that have been perpetrated throughout history because timid and/or cowardly people refused to be judgemental while tyrants and murderers were committing genocide. If you wish to be muzzled by such criminals then SHAME ON YOU!
I am not going out of my way. Your using her name as an insult is over the top. She was mistaken. Jesus was kind and gentle in His reproof. To put her in with the Pharisees is harsh and wrong. He was very hard on them. Not on her.
I don’t accuse Christ of anything
***Then that is a good thing. You are on proper notice that I consider you a false teacher and I will follow Christ’s level of vehemence in treating you as such.
but I do accuse YOU
***Satan is known as the Accuser. He is the Father of Lies. You’re following his path. Like Christ said about the pharisees of His day, you are a son of Satan.
of being grossly ignorant of the enormous crimes
***You are grossly and intentionally ignorant of THE BIBLE. Worse, you KNOW what it says but you reject it so that you can hold onto your precious judgementalism.
that have been perpetrated throughout history because timid and/or cowardly people refused to be judgemental
***There are probably far more people lost in history due to pharisaical sociopaths who do things in the name of Christ that make people blush. I can’t get through Foxxe’s book of Martyrs thinking of people like YOU. The Crusades, the Inquisition, anti-semitism, classic periods of dogma — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_dogmatic_theology#:~:text=Please%20help%20improve%20this%20article%20by%20introducing%20citations%20to%20additional%20sources.&text=The%20history%20of%20Catholic%20dogmatic,%2C%20the%20medieval%2C%20the%20modern. — all because of Marthas like you who were granted authority in christian churches.
while tyrants and murderers were committing genocide.
***It was the Marthas who stood next to those genocidal maniacs nodding their heads and assenting to the murder.
If you wish to be muzzled by such criminals then SHAME ON YOU!
***You’re the one overlooking simple biblical truths in your quest to remain judgemental towards anyone who slightly disagrees with you, disdaining the Lord’s rebuke of Martha just so you can hold onto that judgemental spirit.
I am not going out of my way. Your using her name as an insult is over the top.
***You just hinted that she’s mildly mistaken, so how is it an over-the-top insult? You’re doing everything you can to reject God’s chastisement of your churchlady busybody judgementalist spirit.
She was mistaken.
***She was wrong.
Jesus was kind and gentle in His reproof.
***Yes He was. But He was not kind in reproving pharisees, sadducees, scribes, and other false teachers like YOU. You do not deserve gentleness since you reject God’s reproof of your judgementalist spirit.
To put her in with the Pharisees is harsh and wrong.
***I put YOU in with the pharisees. See how you twist everything around? That’s because your spirit is fighting so hard against Christ’s reproof of your judgementalism. Like the title of the thread says, it is SIN. You need to repent of it.
He was very hard on them. Not on her.
***You sure go out of your way not to see the biblical point, even when it is Christ Himself being quoted directly. You need to repent of your sin, false teacher. You lead others astray with your judgementalism. Let’s say I was gonna introduce you to my friend Frank. He really likes you, but he thinks you’re a bit of a scumbag because every morning you trespass onto his property on your way to the donut shop. But don’t worry, he forgives you and wants you to be a part of his life. Would you even WANT to meet Fred? NO. But you think introducing God in such a way of judgementalism you’re somehow exempt. Well, you aint. People don’t wanna meet God because of dour judgemental church lady Marthas like you. Stop it. Repent.
As an example, here are the sentences you did NOT comment on, that you overlook in your haste to embrace judgementalism.
It IS morally wrong because the bible says judge not lest you be judged. Jesus said in John 3:17 that He came not to judge, so that makes YOU the disobedient, pharisaical, wokescolding church lady Martha who is not listening to the Lord’s direct rebuke from scripture.
The fact that you try to label it evil is a sign of your horrible judgemental small-spiritedness. Then you throw in more nonsense about America in an attempt to obfuscate. Take a FReeping critical thinking class and learn to avoid classical fallacies. I doubt you even know what fallacies are.
You are a false teacher and it is time for VEHEMENCE in opposing you, the way Christ was vehement against the false teachers of His day.
Are you by any chance one of those ignorant fundamentalist snake handlers? You sure do sound like one! You need to go to the local Catholic Church. confess your sins to the priest, and pray the rosary a couple of times. Hopefully our Blessed Mother will intercede with her Son and He will forgive you for your many transgressions. For now, just kneel down and say the Our Father and the Hail Mary prayer three times.
Are you by any chance one of those ignorant fundamentalist snake handlers?
***NO! What does it TAKE to get you to address the BIBLICAL injunctions against you?
You sure do sound like one!
***You sound like the church lady crossed with Martha Pharisee.
You need to go to the local Catholic Church.
***NO way. Way too unbiblical, way too apostate. Since you’re pushing that angle, there is little mystery behind your judgmentalist spirit.
confess your sins to the priest,
***Bible says “call no man Father”. Catholics get a TON wrong when it comes to scripture. It is no wonder you have such haste to overlook scripture.
and pray the rosary a couple of times.
***Show me where it says that in the BIBLE and I’ll consider it. Hint: It aint in the bible. Yet another unbiblical viewpoint from you.
Hopefully our Blessed Mother
***Wow, you got this catholic stuff BAD.
will intercede with her Son and He will forgive you for your many transgressions.
***Mary was an ordinary woman, in need of a Savior and Redemption just like all of us. She was special in that she was the mother of the Messiah and obviously virtuous, but that’s about it. You need to repent of your unbiblical philosophy.
For now, just kneel down and say the Our Father and the Hail Mary prayer three times.
***For now, just repent of your sins of being unbiblical, of being a pharisee, of being a Martha, of being judgemental, of pushing unchristian belief systems. There are plenty of ex-catholics on this board to help you across the Truth Bridge.
***NO! What does it TAKE to get you to address the BIBLICAL injunctions against you?
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Kevma what I recommend is that you find someone who really understands what the Bible is all about, stop reading it yourself because doing so is really screwing up your understanding of what life is all about. If you continue to confuse yourself and rant and rave to others about “the gospel according to Kevma” you’re going to end up in the flames with old Beelzebub herself! Now put down that crack pipe and that damn Bible!
Kevma what I recommend is that you
***What I recommend is that you simply read your bible. If someone casts a bible verse your way and says it applies to you, ask God if it’s true and genuinely and truthfully process it. Also, take that critical thinking class. You are sorely lacking.
find someone who really understands what the Bible
***I understand it far more than you. I’ve had bible studies with superduper bible dudes and they learn more from me than I do from them. All because I read the bible.
is all about, stop reading it yourself
***You are way off here, bucko. Paul approved of the Bereans for reading the bible on their own, and several times in the bible we are admonished to read our scriptures. You seem dependent on having someone else tell you what to think, which is why you can’t counter any of the bible verses aimed at you. It’s pathetic.
because doing so is really screwing up your understanding of what life is all about.
***You’re the one with the skewed catholic Mary-worshipping perspective. You’re lost and you can’t even discern it.
If you continue to confuse yourself
***I am not confused. The more I engage on these topics, the more I become convinced I’m on the right track. I ran most of it past my pastor and he agrees. He just doesn’t want to get into it because if he started spouting off about it, he would “lose his job”.
and rant and rave to others about “the gospel according to Kevma”
***Kiss off, Pharisee. If you aint got bible verses to counter what I’ve sent your way then you are simply in the wrong.
you’re going to end up in the flames with old Beelzebub herself!
***Horse manure. Jesus has saved me and He seeks to save those like you who hold back others from the kingdom by way of your judgementalism. Luke 17:2
It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Now put down that crack pipe and that damn Bible!
***You just damned the Bible? Wow, your true colors are showing. The sad thing is that you arrived at this spiritually debilitating condition without any crack pipes. At least those guys have an excuse.
I’ve read it probably at least a hundred times. But guess what? Nowhere in it have I EVER seen a heading on any page that says “The Gospel According to Kevma”. That is why NOTHING you post has ANY credibility whatsoever. Your opinions are lake arseholes - EVERYBODY HAS ONE! Now put down that crack pipe and get someone who really knows what they’re talking about to “school” you concerning truths set forth in the Holy Scriptures!
I’ve read it probably at least a hundred times.
***Too bad it doesn’t sink in.
But guess what? Nowhere in it have I EVER seen a heading on any page that says “The Gospel According to Kevma”.
***You haven’t refuted a single bible verse I’ve tossed your way. It aint the gospel according to me, it is simply the bible. You have disdain for it.
That is why NOTHING you post has ANY credibility whatsoever.
***The same is said for you, satanic false teacher.
Your opinions are lake arseholes - EVERYBODY HAS ONE!
***Your bible verses are like... missing. You don’t even HAVE ONE.
Now put down that crack pipe
***You arrived at YOUR crackpot conclusions without drugs, apparently, so you have fewer excuses than crackheads. You’re spiritually disgusting.
and get someone who really knows what they’re talking
***I know more than you. I know plenty enough to defend myself and all you got is to throw yourself into a tizzy. Check in with da pope to see how catholically effective that nonsense is.
about to “school” you concerning truths set forth in the Holy Scriptures!
***This coming from a person who DAMNED the bible. https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3992414/posts?page=176#176 You are truly a POS.
Repent of what, specifically?
Of doing such things as being salt and light, exposing darkness, being part of the Mathew 18 process of discipline of fellow church members, opposing evil in all its forms, of deciding who is not godly and then avoiding being unequally yoked, of not walking with the enemies of Christ? As commanded? No.
Of judging hypocritically, proudly, harshly, unbiblically? Yes.
Like Jesus pointed out Himself, “you have said so yourself”.
Repent of what, specifically? ... Of judging hypocritically, proudly, harshly, unbiblically? Yes.
https://cdn.pbc.org/Main_Service/1985/09/29/3889.html
Later at his trial, the high priest said to Jesus, “I adjure you by the living God that you tell us whether you are the Son of God.” Jesus answered, “You have said so yourself. Nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven.” Our Lord was here quoting Messianic passages from the book of Daniel and from Psalm 110. Jesus’ answer was, “Yes! I am the Son of God and the long-awaited Messiah.” Thus we see that Jesus here begins clearly to proclaim that he is the Christ, and that he would come again in glory and power.
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