Posted on 07/16/2021 6:30:44 AM PDT by wrrock
Darn correct. The Chinese steal everything, and never respect copyrights. It's in their culture, has been for thousands of years. The average Chinese person wonders what is the big deal, if I like what someone else makes I'll copy it. That's humanity's progress. The West's idea of protecting intellectual property is a recent phenomenon. The Chinese government does little to stop copyright and trademark theft. In China, Chinese car dealers will sell Chinese knock-offs of European, Japanese and American cars - and will even offer to replace the Chinese badging with the foreign badge nameplates. The parts are completely interchangeable with the foreign parts. China is out of control!
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, do you?
For your first linked article, from Politico,eu, the progressive wing of the progressive rag of the same leftist rag in this country, they’re claiming and complaining that Apple runs ads to third-parties it sells in its own apps. This is an assertion from Facebook and Twitter, filed as a part of their argument in their complaint, not a fact in evidence. I’ve been using Apple Apps for more than forty years and have not seen a single Ad in an Apple app, even for an Apple product. Apple collects anonymous user data to make available to third-party developers of app add-on, which are made available to users through extensions for apps, but a user has to seek those extensions out, and users can opt out of even that data reporting to Apple.
Your second link is to another article, this in another progressive rag, claiming that Apple is hypocritical for allowing users to block tracking for privacy reasons but still allowing Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and other data mining apps to offer apps on the Apple Apps Store and for Safari to have Alphabet’s Google Search engine, a notorious user data miner, as the default search engine, in exchange for a $9 billion payment. Quoting the Atlantic article’s author:
” But to lean on policy as a prerequisite for action is to sidestep the moral quandary. If Apple really cared about personal data, the company could take any number of actions to keep privacy violators off its platforms and away from its customers. Until it does, it’s time to stop letting Apple off the hook as a more moral company than Google or Facebook. In fact, failing to take action while grandstanding about the urgency of doing so might make it even worse."
This bozo maintains that until Apple blocks its users from having the free choice of accessing any data-mining social media or search engine websites, then Apple is not only complicit in those privacy violations, Apple is actually likely more in violation of privacy violation than the actual data thieves are merely by allowing Apple users to make their own choice to visit those sites and take the risk of compromising their privacy!
Your third link is to an article in Appleinsider describing how Apple’s new tracking blocking will prevent user tracking data even in apps… and blows up your asserted narrative.
The last link is to an article that addresses three issues that are either industry wide, such as ”Exhibit A" complaint that the Apple iCloud backup data is not being user encrypted due to the Department of Justice (they said “FBI’s” behest) campaign to sue for search warrant accessibility if any company implemented such end-to-end user controlled encryption. Apparently Apple, along with numerous other cloud based serving companies’ legal advisors, came to the conclusion they would not win such a suit. The data is encrypted against intrusion by third-parties, but with Apple holding the key so they can comply with legal search warrants for specific user’s cloud data. Then there’s "Exhibit B"’s rehashing of 2018’s report of actual human contractors listening in on anonymized sampling’s of after-the-fact SIRI queries and responses to help improve the SIRI algorithms in responding to those queries. The contractors did not have any inkling of by-whom, where, or when the SIRI questions were posed, so no identifiable individuals’ privacy was compromised in this effort. The Guardian, another UK progressive rag, breathlessly reported that Apple continues to listen in. Apple never said they wouldn’t. SIRI still needs quality control improvements, and users could always opt-out when first turning SIRI on at availability. Apple just made SIRI by default off at each upgrade of iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS so you have the opportunity to agree to the privacy every upgrade now.
Finally, "Exhibit C" is the usual litany of iOS had a vulnerability a few months ago so it’s not perfect. SO WHAT! Those few dozen or so imperfections in iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS and the fact that iOS family devices automatically get upgrades for years that keep them secure that get fixed quickly pale in light of the multi-millions of actual exploits that were and are rife in the competition… in phones, tablets, portables, and desktops.
By the way, that vulnerability from April "Exhibit C" was so worried about was not just an Apple vulnerability… it was a vulnerability found in open-source WebKit which is used a many browser on multiple platforms including Apple, Android and its forks, Linux, UNIX, XENIX, Windows, quite a few browsers and email servers and clients. Contrary to the article’s hyperbole, Apple had actually fixed the issue in an earlier version of WebKit and iOS 13.2 and up. When the news got it in early May, Apple was pushing out automatic security patch upgrades to the 4% to 5% of iOS users who were still using older versions of iOS back to iOS 6. I posted an article on FR about it in May and pinged the Android, Linux, and Windows Ping list managers for their attention.
So much for your usual FUD negativity.
This Guardian story is full of hype and fake news. It reads as if the narrative came from hype provided by the Bogus China Labor Watch which has been caught pushing counterfeit translations and faked videos claiming they were showing Apple work conditions when they were not.
Openings at Apple’s assembly lines have hundreds if not thousands of applicants for each position as the pay is higher and working conditions are better. There have been numerous videos on line of such queues of applicants applying for those FoxConn Apple jobs over the years. They are not given by "just walking in" as characterized in this article. There is stiff competition for those jobs.
The claims of the suicides occurring there are completely bogus. The contemporary articles from 2011, 2012, and 2013 place them where the investigation found they ACTUALLY occurred, not at an Apple assembly plant. Even your claim this article is from 2010 is bogus. The news did not break until sometime in 2011, after the iPad sales started booming. The date of this article is Sun 18 Jun 2017 04.30 EDT. I authored multiple contemporary articles on the suicides and did in-depth research. I had details on each of the victims and dates. I put a lot of time into that research. At the time, FoxConn had 26 plants across China, and the 18 suicides occurred at four of them over an eighteen month period ending in 2011, not a single year with a spate of six at one plant in six weeks in 2011. There was only one suicide in China associated with Apple products. That occurred in 2009 when a young FoxConn assembly line design engineer was arrested, accused of stealing a prototype iphone being used to aide in the new assembly line prep, and questioned for twelve hours by police. He was released, went home to his tower apartment, then went up on the 24 story building and jumped. This was unrelated to the 2010-2011 suicides.
The outside independent investigation brought in from outside China discovered the suicides occurred for various reasons, mostly unrelated to each other, including mental illness, jealousy, homesickness, disease, a love triangle, and then there was the financial incentives to assist the victim families.
It seems that CEO Terry Gou had started making bereavement pay to victims’ families from his own personal funds of the equivalent of about twenty years of the deceased worker’s full pay. Some young people decided they could do more for their families dead than alive, so they killed themselves to aid their families in one fell swoop. Gou made a company wide announcement he would no longer pay bereavement for suicide deaths and the company would henceforth only pay the state mandated compensation work related death benefits. The suicides stopped. The following year, FoxConn had a suicide rate of 0 among its approximately 1 million workers and just one the following year. That very low rate has continued since then. None of the facts related in this article on those suicides are accurate.
I will again repeat the investigation determined the various suicides had been working on assembly lines making Microsoft Xboxes, HP Computers, and Sony PlayStation consoles. .. not Apple devices. In the case of the 160 to 200 or so workers claimed to have threatened to jump en-mass from a factory roof over pay issues, it was not even a FoxConn plant but a competitor, who had switched these workers from an assembly line where their work gave them ample opportunity for overtime and therefore extra money, to a line making computer cases which required no overtime at all, ergo no extra money. They wanted the overtime opportunity back, and were threatening to jump unless they could get their old jobs back! Apparently they won their bargaining point.
The author treats FoxConn as if only Apple products are made there. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that FoxConn contracts with over 750 of the Consumer Electronics and Consumer Appliance manufacturers in the world to manufacture and assemble their products for them. Apple is just one of them, probably the single largest now, but FoxConn is actually a Taiwanese company and even manufacturers Japanese, Korean, and German electronics
It may have been making Apple products circa 2017, it was not in 2010-2011. Apple builds new lines for new products while the old line continues building the old product for at least two more years. They move, sometime jumping cities or even countries. Some models of iPads are being built in Vietnam and Malaysia.
Brian Merchant conflates three different supposed FoxConn suicide stories and gets ALL THREE totally wrong in his anti-Apple, anti-capitalism zeal, and his strange capitalistic urge to sell his book. The real story should be ‘How does a company with 1.5 million workers have a current annual suicide rate of less than 0.1 per 100,000 in a nation with a 20 per 100,000 rate?” As usual, the Progressive Journallist misses the real story!
Quit beating your dead horse.
Re: 30 - Agreed. Making claims without providing a reference, etc is just intellectually lazy. More than a few posters fit into that group.
LOL! You don’t use Apple yet you think you are entitled to expound on the value of Apple software better than the people who’ve used both… right. Sure.
These are the Apps Apple includes on every iphone
Every one except settings has multiple downloadable alternatives.
However, I find all of the Apple Apps superior to the althernative, they are not bloatware. All of them integrate together and also integrate, sharing data and current work, across all other Apple products one owns and accessing file from the user’s iCloud seamlessly. Try doing that with a mishmash of third-party mismatched apps. Can’t and won’t happen. Ergo, it’s not bloatware, and there when the user wants to incorporate it into daily use.
The Chinese steal everything, and never respect copyrights. It’s in their culture, has been for thousands of years. The average Chinese person wonders what is the big deal, if I like what someone else makes I’ll copy it.
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Here’s a list of things China did not steal going back hundreds or thousands of years; a list of things that first appeared in China:
http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/4sub7/item30.html
The trend of stealing others’ IP began with Mao and his CCP. Individuality, innovation are discouraged, among others. The Party is all, never wrong, always on top, can never be contradicted even in the slightest; the Party is inspiration, innovation, wealth and whatever other attributes it takes for itself; all challenges met with beatings, imprisonment, death, or worse.
There was a brief period when China operated in the ‘Grey Zone’ of openness and finances under Deng, lasting until the rise of Xi who reverted China back to Mao’s repressive and horrible policies.
The Chinese people know that their markets are filled with knock offs, aimed at ripping them off, but those are the only choices they have, unless they are wealthy enough to travel abroad.
China, since Mao destroyed every aspect and artifact of traditional Chinese culture, is obsessed with making money. A Chinese factory does not make a knock off because the Party members who runs the factory like something, but because he can make money. Making money is what modern China is about. Is why a starter apartment goes for US$1.5 million, an apartment young males have to buy in order to attract a wife, get married, make money - regardless of any job he may have.
Nobody uses compass daily or weakly, you’re full of crap.
Meanwhile that list of 45 default installed apps proved my point: BLOAT.
And yet another cultist wants to pull the “leftist conspiracy against Apple” card. You guys are pathetic. Apple must test you the talking points cause you all say the same stupid crap over and over. And it’s all wrong.
Here are the FACTS:
Apple has no more respect for your privacy than any of the other companies
Apple is overpriced
Apple bloats just like everybody else
And you cultists are pathetic
Goodbye
it’s obvious you did not bother to even read your spammed links in their thread as they are not arguments for your points. They do not support your arguments, but only support anti-Capitalism which is pushed by these rags, and two of them actual counter your position, demonstrating what Apple is doing to provide even more privacy to its customers. Dumb on your point, and supporting my point you do not have a clue about what you are talking about as YOU DO NOT USE APPLE PRODUCTS SO YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT PRIVACY SERVICES THEY PROVIDE!!!
You can only mimic the evidence less LIES in the talking points of the horde of Android competitors who cannot even approach what Apple is doing AND DON’T WANT TO, because their business’ profit model is SELLING their users’ data! If you are happy being the product of businesses you choose to use, more power over you and profits to THEM, not you. Shame on you, not them.
As for your repeated assertion that Apple is only successful due to a bunch of brainwashed “cultists” repeatedly buying their products, Apple currently has 1.6 BILLION active devices in use in the world and 1.3 BILLION individual users with that number increasing daily. That’s some cult!
Almost every one of those Apple users has been a previous user of some other platform, either Android or Windows, and CHOSEN to use Apple as a preference because they find it BETTER than the alternative. Again, you can only echo something you’ve heard from someone just as ignorant as you.
Hear, Hear! Thank you!
Oh now you call in the cavalry and get all shouty. Geesh you really are a pathetic waste of human flesh. Cultist moron.
And once again you prove your complete ignorance of Apple products. Apple’s Compass App is not a mere compass. It includes a very accurate directional compass, but also includes an accurate to one meter altimeter, a GPS providing Earth Coordinates to 1/100 seconds of accuracy, and a double cross hair level. I have, in fact, found the Compass App useful at least once or twice a week. YOU are the one full of crap.
The included Apple Apps are not bloat because they provide useful functionality. If you find you have a need for a function on your device and do not have it and have to go looking for it when you have no connection to the internet to find a suitable app, your device is not useful. Apple provides fully functional, well designed, well coordinated, and well integrated Apps that ARE useful when you need them, not later, that do not cost anything extra that are there when you need them. These apps provide on-call functionality integrated in the device. That is not “bloat.” It’s a Swiss Army Knife approach to the device, providing tools to accomplish tasks that may be need to be done.
Bloat is limited-trial function, shareware, sample-ware, adware, pre-installed social apps, subscription or lease-ware for any functionality at all, and case stickers advertising installed hardware, etc.
WHO CARES. You’re not using that once a week. You’re a liar. Nobody needs those features once a week. Especially not somebody who spends all their time trolling the internet defending a crap company with lies and ad hominems.
It is bloatware. 45 apps is more than I got from Google and TMobile and LG combined. If you idiot cultists can say those apps are bloat I can point to the 45 bloats from Apple and call them bloat.
Face it, you’re just a pathetic loser that can’t accept the company you pointlessly worship is fallible. You lie, you declare everything FUD, you insist there’s some leftist conspiracy. Really, you’re beneath contempt.
OK, this is. I got better things to do with my life than read your stupid crap. Have the last word, Buh bye wanker
You have issues.
You don’t address the points made. You don’t use Apple products, but proceed to make assertions against them based on things you have read from questionable sources.
I am one of those users that accesses multiple platforms. I used to have Android phones. I still have to work with Android devices during my work. I have been fully immersed in both systems. Apple has the better product in my opinion.
I am using a 5 year old iPhone that operates as well as the day I bought it. My Android phones felt old after about two years. Just my experience.
As for bloat…if you can’t see the difference between what is installed on an iPhone or on an LG you get from T-Mobile, then you are good and truly lost to rationality.
Nope, no issues. And not questionable sources. DOZENS of sources. I just linked to the first 4 that came up in Google. It’s well documented that Apple has no more respect for your privacy than any of the other companies. Only you cultists stick your fingers in your ear and yell “leftwing conspiracy” every time something comes up.
I’ve had my LG for 3 years, it’s fine. Not even a scratch.
Oh I can see the difference. You got twice as much crap from Apple as I got from Google, LG and T-Mobile COMBINED but you insist I’ve got the bloatware. Once again the cultists have been lead to reality and hide like the monkeys.
See if you guys would just be HONEST there’d be no issue. But you won’t be. You show up with idiotic claims that everybody else’s data goes to China but yours doesn’t. Then get all pissy and whiny when somebody points out that Apple is no different. You slam others for having bloat even though Apple pre-installs twice as much stuff. You guys just can’t be simple users. You have to worship. You’ve got the issues. Admit Apple has faults, you’ll do better in life.
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