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Steve Kirsch drops a 200 pager that nukes the vaccine from orbit! Should you get vaccinated?
https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/ ^ | 5/25/2021 | Steve Kirsch

Posted on 06/13/2021 8:37:17 AM PDT by wrrock

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To: Fury

I don’t want to start a fight, but your assessment appears to be unfair cherry-picking. Does he over-state his claim in the bits you quote? Yes, and I suspect he would admit to that.

But that’s not central to his presentation, which I would summarize as:

a) There were problems with the vax that were not disclosed to the public (mainly the free S protein), but which were known to the producers and the regulators

b) There is a strong signal that the current crop of vaccines are having an unprecedented level of side effects, some severe.

c) The authorities and gatekeepers of “sane” opinion are ignoring these reports of side effects, refusing to investigate, and respond with derision and attempts to shut down any discussion of the potential problems.

d) A risk-benefit evaluation should be undertaken before low-risk populations (eg teenagers) are offered the vaccine.

I’m not anti-vax, quite the opposite, but this is a serious matter, worthy of serious discussion and investigation. It’s not fake anti-vax trutherism.

As the old saying goes, if you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention!


121 posted on 06/13/2021 2:07:53 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Allegra

So they say. I think a lot of ‘em are actually Big Pharma salespeople. ;-)


I think you’re exactly right!

(I’ve been saying the same, for months. 😉)


122 posted on 06/13/2021 2:10:09 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Stentor

Did you even READ the Merck statement on Invermectin that I provided the link to?

Yeah. Didn’t think so.

Merck clearly says, after their scientists have studied it extensively, that Invermectin does NOTHING for COVID. Zero. Zip. Notta. But keep believing some random “Doctor” on the internet selling fear porn seminars, vitamins and other things to cash in on COVID who says otherwise. Seems sensible to me (not).

No respectable Doctor is going to write anyone a script for Invermectin to treat COVID - because it’s not labeled to treat COVID. So, people are reportedly resorting to going to veterinarians to get the version of Invermectin used to treat farm animals (horses, specifically) which is totally and completely insane - not to mention extraordinarily dangerous.

As a matter of fact, the FDA already had to warn people NOT to take the Invermectin made for horses because so many idiots are apparently doing precisely that. Don’t believe me? Just read FR. Or better, “from the horse’s mouth” via this FDA statement on it..

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


123 posted on 06/13/2021 2:10:57 PM PDT by jstolzen
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To: rexthecat

It’s not “so many” - it’s the same handful of noisemakers. There are valid reasons to be concerned with getting this or any vaccine or medical treatment that requires injection or ingestion - you can be severely allergic to its ingredients, and the spike protein is one of the things about COVID19 that makes it dangerous...the vaccines have them appear - though in much lower concentrations than an infection.

But the stuff most of these noise makers post is just bat crap crazy nonsense indicating zero basic knowledge of biology. They don’t know what a virus even is, let alone mRNA, ribosomes, etc. But they comment on it anyway, seemingly unphased by how objectively nonsensical and deranged some of their comments are.


124 posted on 06/13/2021 2:27:18 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: jstolzen

I can personally attest that a regular 20 pill box of 3 mg Ivermectin is available for the low-low price of $24 at my local pharmacy in California. I know this because I filled a prescription for it in January of this year. I’m not disputing that you may have found the MSRP as it were, but that’s certainly not what one must pay.

The question of efficacy is not settled. Merck’s statement is not dispositive, and frankly, at this point seems at best to be less than the full truth.

The best information has been presented by Tess Lawrie, who is no “internet doctor”, and sells nothing, offers no seminars, and has actually put her livelihood at some risk by reporting truthfully the results of her meta analysis of a couple of dozen studies of early use Ivermectin for COVID.

It seems that you may be unaware of her work, so I’ll provide this link that will, if you wish, let you research some contrary view.

https://bird-group.org/conference-programme/

In any event, she and her collaborators are no cranks.

Pierry Kory is not a crank, nor is Paul Marik, nor is Andrew Hill. All are distinguished physicians and researchers, whos work cannot be honestly dismissed as internet quacks.

This is particularly urgent in light of the current push to extend vaccination to lower-risk cohorts. Business as usual is no longer acceptable.


125 posted on 06/13/2021 2:32:26 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: dforest

Ivermectin has been out for many years. Your logic is flawed. Merck cannot make big bucks off Ivermectin.


Big clue proving that the poster is nothing but a BigPharma vax-troll.


126 posted on 06/13/2021 2:38:16 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: jstolzen; dforest

That doesn’t change it’s current retail price, which is ~$100 for 20 whole 3 mg pills. So the point about Merck not being able to make “big bucks” is flawed - it’s MORE EXPENSIVE (given the dosing needed) than the vaccines are.


The ignorance is so strong with your post....where to begin??

Ivermectin 3mg can be bought for 30.00, for 30 tabs.

It’s now generic, so....yes, Merck isn’t making $$$ off of it.

You call it a horse pill, to try and smear something that has saved countless lives, from China virus....much to the chagrin of the BigPharma trolls, here.

Oh, and these experimental shots are NOT free, nor inexpensive.

We the Taxpayer have paid these drug companies billions for them.


127 posted on 06/13/2021 2:45:50 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Bulwyf

Outside of the religious threads, I cannot think of a subject that has divided FReepera more. Oh yeah, Qanon.


128 posted on 06/13/2021 2:53:30 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Glad2bnuts
The Flu when I was not quite 40 was much worse, but they did give me antibiotics and Codeine cough syrup The last time, THEY GAVE ME NOTHING, well I finagled a script for an antibiotic after 8 hours of me demanding some treatment, and enlisting family members to phone the hospital.

Unless you had a secondary bacterial infection, giving you antibiotics for the flu would do nothing and in fact if you didn’t have a bacterial infection, giving you an antibiotic could make you more susceptible to one in the future. Antibiotics do nothing for treating viral infections. Influenza and COVID are viral not bacterial.

129 posted on 06/13/2021 3:07:53 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA (No. I am not a doctor nor have I ever played one on TV. The MD in my screen name stands for Maryland)
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To: SkyDancer

Just clicked his link on his list of great true voices on the vaccines. Checked out Geert Vanden Bossche...it’s kinda bad news for those who passed on vaccines. Please listen to his views on this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGBDETOPAJA
I’m going to have to listen to him more than once to help me get it...but it does not sound good.


130 posted on 06/13/2021 3:17:41 PM PDT by magna carta (TX all you have to do is send an email to principal with a witness included on the communication.)
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To: DouglasKC

Unfortunately, elderly patients dying without contact with family was not uncommon during the plandemic. As far as the news media they twist it to fit their agenda.


131 posted on 06/13/2021 3:25:04 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: magna carta

I think you misunderstood Geert Vanden Boosche. He has been completely opposed to the mass vaccination program during a pandemic.

“Hence, in order for a vaccine to do beter than the natural pandemic, it would need to expedite herd immunity. However, it’s exactly the opposite what we are seeing right now: the vaccines are not able to prevent viral spread by vaccine recipients exposed to the emerging highly infectous strains. This is preventng herd immunity from developing.

Whereas at the outset of the Covid-19 pandemic, innate immunity in healthy people provided for a solid frst line of immune defense to Covid-19, this is no longer the case when highly infectous strains are increasingly dominatng the scene. Healthy subjects, including children, are now increasingly exposed to circulatng highly infectous strains while the quality or quantty of their antbodies is insufcient.

Why are the Covid-19 vaccines likely to enhance viral infectousness? It is because they are prophylactc vaccines – designed to build immunity in individuals before they get exposed to the pathogen/virus. They are not suitable at all for administraton to people during a pandemic because the likelihood that a vaccine recipient already comes under atack while not yet being endowed with a full-fedged immune response increases as the infectous pressure augments. This partcularly applies in case of highly infectous circulatng variants.

What happens when you get a vaccine? For an individual who has just received the frst dose of vaccine, his or her body will be in the process of building an immune response. It could take several weeks for the immune response to be fully developed and if you are exposed to the virus during this tme, your immune response may be too weak to efectvely fght the virus. Even though the frst dose may protect you from developing symptoms, the virus may stll be able to replicate and transmit. Exertng high immune pressure without preventng viral replicaton and transmission is a recipe for selectve viral immune escape.

However, what we are now more and more observing is even more worrisome: even those who got fully vaccinated before exposure to Covid-19 are no longer controlling virus replicaton and transmission. This is because they’re now increasingly infected by more infectous variants, the spike protein of which is diferent from the one comprised in the vaccine. Hence, the virus increasingly evades the vaccinal antbody response. We have already seen this in many care homes where highly infectous variants have been spreading within no tme despite large vaccine coverage rates (i.e., up to 80-90%).

The only beneft of these vaccines is that they may temporarily protect from severe disease and mortality (depending on the antgenic features of the infectng variant). Selectve immune evasion also favors further disseminaton of highly infectous strains as mass vaccinaton is now increasingly turning vaccine recipients into asymptomatc spreaders. The later transmit highly infectous virus to the unprotected or not yet infected subjects. This is exactly the opposite of what the vaccines were supposed to do. Indeed, there is now a general consensus that the vaccines will, indeed, fail to generate herd immunity. In additon, they will also fail to eliminate the steadily increasing number of highly infectous strains because the vaccinal antbodies do no longer match with the variant spike protein of the circulatng strains whereas they’re stll hampering binding of natural antbodies to the virus.”


132 posted on 06/13/2021 3:35:25 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: JimRed

Great news!


133 posted on 06/13/2021 4:17:24 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl
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To: jstolzen

They’re under tremendous political pressure so Faux-Xi and fiends can play with experimental mRNA therapies.


134 posted on 06/13/2021 4:23:51 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

It is the secondary infection that gets ya, and they don’t test for virus or bacterial. When you have pneumonia, it is logical to hit the body with all of the tools you have. Overuse of antibiotics is a danger, but on an individual level it is rare. Doctors give them out like candy to those into the queer scene.


135 posted on 06/13/2021 4:24:05 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: cbvanb

That Federal judge is one of the most-overturned in the whole 5th Circuit.


136 posted on 06/13/2021 4:25:10 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: magna carta

As I mentioned earlier; I’d rather get the virus and be treated with known drugs than take those genetic modifiers euphemistically called ‘vaccines’.


137 posted on 06/13/2021 4:25:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Identify As Vaccinated)
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To: Mark

Even Wikipedia (*snerk*) admits that an early version of the Salk polio vaccine wasn’t properly manufactured, resulting in live virus in 100,000 doses and some 20,000 cases of polio.
“Because SCIENCE!”™


138 posted on 06/13/2021 4:28:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jstolzen

Invermectin is off patent. Merck no longer makes much money off it.

Merck is developing their own (expensive) treatment.


139 posted on 06/13/2021 4:30:39 PM PDT by JstABrdPstr
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To: AnglePark

Who is going to get sued?

The vax makers have immunity. So lawsuits will have to be directed against adjacent actors, such as, doctors or employers.

But doctors will be immune from liability because they are following the standard-of-care. Docs are immune from liability if they follow the standard-of-care. Thus, if a doc a recommends a treatment that is the current standard-of-care they are immune. The CDC and FDA have given them cover by declaring that vaxes are the standard of care.

Employers are already covered by OSHA et al saying that bad outcomes associated with mandatory vaxes are considered work place injuries. So the employer is immune from lawsuits because the vax injuries will be covered by workmens compensation insurance.


140 posted on 06/13/2021 4:31:28 PM PDT by 13foxtrot
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