woodpusher:
"Your lengthy disquisition on this irrelevant basis is taken under advisement." Because you're a Democrat, we have to translate your words into comprehensible English -- "lengthy" means you just can't bear to face the truth.
"Irrelevant" means you can't admit when your wrong.
In this particular example, you were desperately hoping to weaponize census numbers on free-black populations against Northerners, to prove "Northerners hate blacks".
In reality, population numbers show free-blacks increasing faster in the North (+30,000) than in the South (+23,000), so naturally, you being a born Democrat, you go berserk with accusations against the numbers and for claims of "irrelevancy".
woodpusher: "Your garbage, which originated in 2008 by Erin Bradford, states that it included northern slave states with the South."
You still sound very confused & disoriented, so I'll try to help out again.
In most discussions about that time, "the North" means free states and "the South" means slave-states.
People who wish to include some slave-states in "the North" normally do so by using the term "the Union" and for the South, "the Confederacy".
woodpusher: "At the time of the 1860 census, there were no Confederate states.
The Census did not take four states and arbitrarily assign them to something called 'The South.' "
Right, slave-holding states were considered "the South" and free-states "the North".
woodpusher: "California has not moved north, and President Joe Biden is not from the South."
California was a free-state, aka "the North" and Delaware was a slave-state, aka "the South".
California was a Northern Union state, Delaware was a Southern Union state.
Now I "get" that you have some terrible mental block against the truth, but you'll need to work on that.
woodpusher: "The Census statistics reflect the free Black populations of FIFTEEN slave states."
It also lists free Black populations of all free-states.
So how did you become so very confused about this?
woodpusher: "It is historical fact that there were more free Blacks in the fifteen (15) slave states than in the free states."
Slightly more in 1860, just as there were in, for example, 1790.
But in 1860 the populations of free-Blacks in free-states were growing faster, overall, than in slave-states.
Why does that drive you so crazy?
woodpusher: "I shall proceed with the question you had to run from in fear of the truth.
With gradual emancipation supposedly freeing Black slaves, one would expect to see a rise in the Free Black population in the free states."
The truth you fear & run from is that in 1860 free-Black populations in free-states were, overall, growing faster than in slave-states.
woodpusher: "At any rate, in the Free states, the total increase of the free Black population was minimal, and in a sizeable number of Free states, the free Black population declined over a ten year period. "
In 1860 free-Black populations in free-states were increasing, overall, slightly faster than in slave-states.
In some free-states and some slave-states free-Black populations decreased slightly, but in no state was the decline more than a few hundred over ten years. ![]()
Because you're a Democrat, we have to translate your words into comprehensible English
Because you are a progressive Socialist, you specialize in linguistic perversion.
In this particular example, you were desperately hoping to weaponize census numbers on free-black populations against Northerners, to prove "Northerners hate blacks".
You are reminded that at your #439, as documented in my #444:
- You claimed your source was the University of Virginia for an article which no longer appears at the University of Virginia website. Your link went to something called NCPEDIA which provided a dead link to what had been an article hosted at the UVA website.
- Your withdrawn 2008 source article included "for the purpose of this analysis," California as a northern state, and Delaware as a southern state. For its 1860 statistics, this same study included Nebraska and Nevada as northern states. In 1860, neither of those was even a state.
You used that crap, withdrawn at the source, to counter the official census data.
The official 1860 census shows that there were more free Blacks in the fifteen (15) slave states, than in the nineteen (19) free states.
As documented in my #444, the official Census report of 1860 showed that there were 251,000 free colored persons in the fifteen slaveholding states, and only 237,283 free colored persons in the nineteen free states and the seven territories and the District of Columbia.
SOURCE: Population of the United States in 1860; Compiled from the Original Returns of the Eighth Census, under the Direction of the Secretary of the Interior, by Joseph C. G. Kennedy, Superintendant of Census, Washington, Government Printing Office, 1864.
At vii:
Looking cursorily over the returns, it appears that the fifteen slaveholding States contain 12,240,000 inhabitants, of whom 8,039,000 are whites, 251,000 free colored persons, and 3,950,000 are slaves. The actual gain of the whole population in those States, from 1850 to 1860, was 2,627,000, equal to 27.33 per cent. The slaves advanced in numbers 749,931, or 23.44 per cent. This does not include the slaves of the District of Columbia, who decreased 502 in the course of the ten years. By a law of April 16, 1862, slavery has been abolished in the District of Columbia, the owners of slaves having been compensated out of the public treasury. The nineteen free States and seven Territories, together with the federal District, contained, according to the Eighth Census, 19,203,008 persons, of whom 18,920,771 were white, 237,283 free colored, and 41,725 civilized Indians.
It is historical fact that there were more free Blacks in the fifteen (15) slave states than in the free states.
The question is simple. As they were FREE, why did the majority of free Blacks live in the slave states?
Why did the majority of free Blacks choose not to move to paradise where they would be welcomed as brothers and citizens?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)
The Black Codes, sometimes called Black Laws, were laws governing the conduct of African Americans (free and freed blacks). In 1832, James Kent wrote that "in most of the United States, there is a distinction in respect to political privileges, between free white persons and free colored persons of African blood; and in no part of the country do the latter, in point of fact, participate equally with the whites, in the exercise of civil and political rights." - - - - - - - - - -
Before the war, Northern states that had prohibited slavery also enacted laws similar to the slave codes and the later Black Codes: Connecticut, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and New York enacted laws to discourage free blacks from residing in those states. They were denied equal political rights, including the right to vote, the right to attend public schools, and the right to equal treatment under the law.
Consider Article 13 of the 1851 state constitution of the great state of Indiana:
ARTICLE XIII
NEGROES AND MULATTOES.
Section 1. No negro or mulatto shall come into, or settle in the State, after the adoption of this constitution.
Sec. 2. All contracts made with any negro or mulatto coming into the State, contrary to the provisions of the foregoing section, shall be void; and any person who shall employ such negro or mulatto, or otherwise encourage him to remain in the State, shall be fined in any sum not less than ten dollars, nor more than five hundred dollars.
Sec. 3. All fines which may be collected for violation of the provisions of this article, or of any law which may hereafter be passed for the purpose of carrying the same into execution, shall be set apart and appropriated for the colonization of such negroes and mulattoes, and their descendants, as may be in the State at the adoption of this constitution, and may be willing to emigrate.
Sec. 4. The general assembly shall pass laws to carry out the provisions of this article.
Consider Article 14 of the state constitution of the great state of Illinois:
ARTICLE XIV. PERSONS of color
The general assembly shall, at its first session under the amended constitution, pass such laws as will effectually prohibit free persons of color from immigrating to and settling in this State; and to effectually prevent the owners of slaves from bringing them into this State, for the purpose of setting them free.
The woke state of Illinois used the politically correct term to tell persons of color that they were not welcome in the state.
https://www.lib.niu.edu/1996/iht329602.html
But the elimination of legal slavery did not mean the removal of the Black Codes. Indeed, it was not until the passage of the Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the adoption of the Illinois Constitution of 1870 that the last legal barriers (but not the societal) ended. Like their midwestern neighbors, most early Illinois settlers believed in white supremacy and African-American inferiority. Consequently, Illinois' constitutions and laws reflected those views. Legislators in the first General Assembly passed measures designed to discourage African-Americans from coming to Illinois. Blacks were denied suffrage, and other laws deprived them of most rights accorded free white men. African-Americans were prohibited from immigrating without a certificate of freedom. Moreover, they had to register that certificate, along with the certificates of any children, immediately upon entering the state. Among other things, the state legislature intended to discourage Illinois from becoming a haven for runaway slaves. Any runaway found in the state could be sentenced by a justice of the peace to thirty-five lashes. African-Americans assembling in groups of three or more could be jailed and flogged. Additionally, they could not testify in court nor serve in the militia. Finally, state law forbade slaveholders, under penalty of a severe fine, from bringing slaves into Illinois in order to free them.
https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/online_exhibits/100_documents/1853-black-law.html
The Document: The 1853 Black Law passed in Illinois was considered the harshest of all discriminatory Black Laws passed by Northern states before the Civil War. The bill banned African-American emigration into Illinois. If a free African-American entered Illinois, he or she had to leave within 10 days or face a misdemeanor charge with heavy fines. Subsequent violations led to increased fines. If the fine could not be paid, the law authorized the county sheriff to sell the free African-American's labor to the lowest bidder, essentially turning the violator into a slave. If a fine was imposed, whoever reported the African-American was entitled to receive half of it. The law included harsh penalties for anyone who brought slaves into the state, whether they wanted to free them or not. The law also included penalties to Justices of the Peace who refused prosecute the law.