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To: jmacusa
The North wanted new territories admitted as free states, for everyone.

Your posts are usually such a finely aggregated mixture of insoluble ignorance and bold lies that a casual reader would hardly what to make of them, but I know that even *you* aren't stupid enough to believe this. Every significant Northern voice of the time very clearly expressed the intention of turning the Northwest into a purely White "workers' paradise" in keeping with the Marxist and Darwinist thought driving 'progressive' Northern politics. You've been force-fed quotes from Lincoln, Sherman, Sheridan, et al for years, now, and know better.

272 posted on 06/13/2021 2:39:33 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Brass Lamp

I’m ignorant? Marx and Engels saw the war as a way to workers, black and white to end chattel slavery.
Something the South went to war to preserve.

Even a a Lost Causer like you can’t argue the South didn’t want to preserve slavey.

Or are you really a dumbass Reb?


298 posted on 06/13/2021 6:55:41 PM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses . Now governed by idiots.)
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To: Brass Lamp; jmacusa; x; rockrr
Brass Lamp: "Every significant Northern voice of the time very clearly expressed the intention of turning the Northwest into a purely White "workers' paradise" in keeping with the Marxist and Darwinist thought driving 'progressive' Northern politics."

Darwin was not a factor in 1860 US politics, period.
Marx did write columns for the New York times, but almost all discussed world affairs, not US politics, and none, for example, called on US workers to unite and throw off the chains of American capitalism.

No major American politician in 1860 acknowledged either Darwin or Marx as a source or authority for his own political opinions.

As for a "purely White 'workers' paradise' ", Illinois might be a typical example -- Southern sympathizing Democrats in southern Illinois wrote state laws to keep blacks out of Illinois, but northern Illinoisans often ignored such laws, with the result that the freed-black population in Illinois grew at a faster rate than in any other state from 1820 to 1860.

So our Lost Causers make a big, big deal over alleged Northern "hatred" of African Americans, but I think closer analysis shows such Northerners were Democrats, allied to their racist Southern Democrat partners in politics and, for example, in the KKK.

321 posted on 06/14/2021 2:43:29 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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