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It appears we've got one more chance to get it right. I pray that we're sober enough to do so.
1 posted on 06/08/2021 7:16:33 AM PDT by rebuildus
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that Ken Burns is probably a liberal.

Got a real Mensa member writing this "piece"...

2 posted on 06/08/2021 7:18:58 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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Told my GF this past wknd..I believe that we are in a UN-declared one now.


3 posted on 06/08/2021 7:19:06 AM PDT by Paul46360 (What??ME worry?)
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This author doesn’t realize that it’s already started.

There’s no kumbaya at this point.


4 posted on 06/08/2021 7:21:31 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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The Marxist Left keeps painting this clash as a “Race” issue. Some on the Right even espouse similar concerns as they don’t want to give the Left something else to brickbat them with.

It isn’t. Not even close.

It’s a CULTURE WAR. Marxit/Thug-life Culture Vs 1st World Civil Society.

Until we recognize that, we will continue to lose ground.


5 posted on 06/08/2021 7:23:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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“The North stood against the evil of Slavery (that’s a HUGE mark in their favor).”

Did they? Or did the North stand against the expansion of slavery into new territories; places they did not want black people to live, free or slave?

Lincoln’s decision to levy war against the states was controversial at the time and remains so today.


6 posted on 06/08/2021 7:25:42 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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If prayer and repentance doesn’t increase soon, we’ll have one whether we need it or not.


7 posted on 06/08/2021 7:26:09 AM PDT by G Larry (Force the Universities to use their TAX FREE ENDOWMENTS to pay off Student loan debt!!!)
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Tell it to the Left.


8 posted on 06/08/2021 7:26:21 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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The War Between the States was just that; a war between the states.

The current Americans versus liberals conflict is something completely different.


9 posted on 06/08/2021 7:26:38 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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Some dissident intellectuals say that Northern mill owners already had strong economic relationships with southern cotton planters, but that slavery had been going out for 10 years before the war because slave owners had to support slave people past the time they could work. Trade was already internationalized, it centered on England, where they couldn’t keep up demand for their overproduction, and they were controlling Ireland where they could starve the people, during the potato famine there was an agricultural surplus & English soldiers were there to guard the food. William Wilberforce’s idealized opposition to slavery was criticized by commoner intellectual William Cobbett as hypocritical. Meanwhile, there was the spirit knocking religion of the Fox Sisters in Hydesville NY, 50 years later Harry Houdini’s career was debunking seances, up to 4 million of the most upwardly mobile northerners were into seances, the spirits, who were demons, would influence them into free love, abortionism, “we have a moral duty to stop an unloved child coming into the world”, Margaret Sanger practiced spiritism 50 years later. If the South had the moral burden of The Peculiar Institution, the North had the moral burden of its murdered children.


11 posted on 06/08/2021 7:29:17 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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Burns' Civil War is great if you like a bunch of interesting little factoids. (i.e. in Sherman's march to the sea his troops found more to eat while heading east from Atlanta in part because there were abandoned rural areas with crops, and in part because by then it was crop season). So if you're into that kind of information, which I am, it's a wonderful docuseries.


The problem I have with it is that it almost completely ignores the Christian abolitionist movement. There would have been virtually zero calls to free the slaves without the growing Christian abolitionist movement making it the number one issue to deal with. The 2nd Great Awakening is THE BASIS of the abolitionist movement -- THE BASIS of slaves being free. And I don't recall a scant mention in the docuseries that it was when the atheists were pushing Darwin's horribly scientific racism book On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.


To me it's fascinating that that book was published in 1859, the very next year the Christians won the 1860 election in the U.S. (Lincoln), then months later in 1861 the Civil War began.

16 posted on 06/08/2021 7:33:18 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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No sympathy for democrats or their propagandists.


19 posted on 06/08/2021 7:36:33 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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I would not watch two minutes of anything by Ken Burns. Unless it took me that long to find the remote control.

Civil Wars are like burning at the stake. Nobody needs one, though there are a few who richly deserve it.


21 posted on 06/08/2021 7:39:14 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them wthaith a pitchfork!)
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Ken Burns is probably a liberal. Yeh, no chit Sherlock.


23 posted on 06/08/2021 7:44:39 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Too late. CW II has already started just the nature of war has changed. Now lawfare and information warfare are the more preferred methods of the democrat party’s armies over guns and bullets.


27 posted on 06/08/2021 8:15:59 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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And the destruction of states’ rights, which Lincoln started

What was the slave states forcing free states to allow their slave hunters across their borders and prosecute their residents for helping slaves who had crossed those borders if not a destruction of states’ rights?

It is sort of like the whining about segregation being about private property. The Jim Crow Laws were just that, LAWS.

You were forced to segregate in your own business. BY LAW. With legal punishment coming your way if you did not.

Why was that ok but desegregation by law is bad?

The answer is they both are bad.

But no one wants to bring that up.

Remove the beam from thine own eye.

31 posted on 06/08/2021 8:32:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. (I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.))
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I recommend reading the 3 volume history by Shelby Foote.


32 posted on 06/08/2021 8:38:29 AM PDT by Iceclimber58
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He is also a pretty ‘punny’ guy

Civil War 2.0: Extreme And Inflate

https://wilderwealthywise.com/civil-war-2-0-extreme-and-inflate/

“May had (again) increased violence, but not as bad as it could have been as unseasonably cold weather kept other temperatures down. Again, none of the violence that I could see originated from the Right.

I’m holding May at 9 out of 10. That’s still two minutes to midnight. Last month I said that “ July or August could take us to a 10” and the reason is becoming clearer, as hot weather and economic woes will be showing up on the street.

I currently put the total at (this is my best approximation, since no one tracks the death toll from rebellion-related violence) up to around 800 out of the 1,000 required for the international civil war definition.

As close as we are to the precipice of war, be careful. Things could change at any minute. Avoid crowds. Get out of cities. Now. A year too soon is better than one day too late.”


34 posted on 06/08/2021 9:03:28 AM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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What you want and what you get are two very different things, many times.


38 posted on 06/08/2021 9:17:21 AM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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Everywhere we see the rise of “tribal chiefs”–those who benefit via money and power from fomenting DIVISION amongst us

+1

39 posted on 06/08/2021 9:19:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice)
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He has some salient points

But if you move south as a yankee don’t use Ken Burns as your go to on the War Between the States

Does he see Deliverance as documentary...

The war and the south is because in most of the south you can still see the vestiges of it..

Particularly both where I grew up and live now ....Mississippi and Tennessee and I was born around 3 generations after when it’s still fairly fresh especially since the cultural divide still existed and we had so many slave descended here..

That last point is one most Freepers just never will grasp....their knowledge of the black race is so naively limited

In most of the south you coexist with them....the good bad and ugly

In my youth it was overwhelmingly good and I was sympathetic to them...man has that worm ever turned...

Anyhow...I can’t speak for Charlotte or Richmond or Baton Rouge and so on but most of the South is disappearing

Overrun by non southerners coming here to escape the liberal Hells they created or inherited....I’m outside Franklin Tn and it’s over half yankees

And southern college qualified kids today rarely have strong southern accents anymore

The rural areas hang on as quote southern but truly they are as much country as southern ...

It’s just how things go

Sherman’s atrocities applauded by assholes on this forum ....carpetbaggers and Reconstruction excess all failed..even civil rights largesse again applauded by a many Freepers .failed ..in the long run to subjugate the south

But the wacko excess of the non southern America and subsequent migrations of refugees here will vanquish us in short order

That same momentum is already eating away at Idaho and Arizona and did in Colorado

But Wardaddy these are conservatives moving....not all I hate to break it to folks....here where I live I know one lady realtor said last 90 days she sold 80 homes to Californian refugees....simply incredible numbers

Look at big outfits moving here

Amazon
Oracle
Asurion

I asked her are they lefties....she said about 50/50

No question my 70% red county will slide some...

I’m not overstating this...

It’s unprecedented ...well maybe the black migration north post WWI for automotive work is similar

And look what that did to those cities ...eventually


42 posted on 06/08/2021 9:41:00 AM PDT by wardaddy (Feel my warmth)
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