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To: jmacusa
Northern Democrats were the segregationists, not Republicans. Southern segregationists were far more numerous thorough out the South for decades after the war , created Jim Crow and created the Ku Klux Klan.

And what percentage of the black population was in the North? I know Illinois and other Northern states had laws explicitly keeping blacks out. In Illinois, it was legal to sell undocumented blacks into slavery.

So let's see. Small black populations because they were driven out and terrorized by racist Northerners, and so yes, there would be less segregation because there were less opportunities for segregation.

The Northerners were more racist than the Southerners, but because they deliberately kept their black populations so small, there was less opportunities for them to demonstrate how racist they were.

Of course the New York riots give a pretty good example of how racist they were.

289 posted on 04/06/2021 1:34:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; x
DiogenesLamp: "And what percentage of the black population was in the North?
I know Illinois and other Northern states had laws explicitly keeping blacks out.
In Illinois, it was legal to sell undocumented blacks into slavery."

In 1860 roughly half of freed-blacks lived in the North, half in the South, plus another nearly 4 million slaves.
Of all the states, North or South, the one with the fastest growing population of freed-blacks over 40 years was... yes, Illinois.
This might suggest to a reasonable person that, regardless of what laws southern-Illinois politicians passed against African Americans, citizens of northern Illinois were more willing to accept them.

DiogenesLamp: "So let's see.
Small black populations because they were driven out and terrorized by racist Northerners, and so yes, there would be less segregation because there were less opportunities for segregation."

In 1860, nearly every state, North and South, had stable or growing populations of freed-blacks.
The exceptions are telling: in the North the coldest states of Maine, New Hampshire & Vermont populations of freed-blacks fell a percent or two from 1850 to 1860.
In the South Mississippi, Texas and Arkansas had all lost double digit percentages of their freed-black populations.
The mid-west and far-west had the fastest growing populations of freed-blacks, especially Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota & Iowa.
In the far-west California's population of freed-blacks grew over 400% from 1850 to 1860.

DiogenesLamp: "The Northerners were more racist than the Southerners, but because they deliberately kept their black populations so small, there was less opportunities for them to demonstrate how racist they were."

The historical fact is that Democrats were always more racist than Republicans and there were plenty of Northern Democrats just as racist as Southerners -- hence Northern chapters of the KKK.

DiogenesLamp: "Of course the New York riots give a pretty good example of how racist they were."

New York City Democrats in 1863 rioted against the Union draft laws.
Those Democrats didn't want to fight "Lincoln's war" and they blamed freed-blacks for it!
Indeed, in 1861 New York City Democrats had wanted to secede and ally with the Confederacy -- they 100% supported slaveholders over "Black Republicans".

314 posted on 04/06/2021 5:19:18 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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