The logical argument that Fauci, Moderna, Pfizer and others may have fabricated fake Covid-19 vaccine trials and reported falsified data

bagster wrote: “Here’s the thing. These ‘conspiracy theorists’, as you call them, are trained and highly educated experts on the subject from places like Harvard, MIT, and Cambridge. Are you telling me that these people are all ‘conspiracy theorists’? Or are they cultists? Or both.”

Perhaps they are well-educated but that doesn’t mean they’re right. There are far more medical professionals, some from those schools, who believe those conspiracy theorists and cultists, you put so much faith in, are misguided and doing great harm with their misinformation.

But, here’s the bottom line. I’ve had my shots. You haven’t. I know I have little to fear from the virus. You can only hope your Vitamin D supplements protect you. Good luck.

Jeez, you say you “refuse to be gaslighted by false statistics and fear mongering” yet you simply accept ANYTHING that agrees with your opinion. This thread is a prime example.

Incorrect, Harkonnen. There are actually people who examine data and THEN form an opinion. I'm one of those people. These unique people also have the ability to examine data from opposing viewpoints and modify their opinions, which is a skill that you lack.

You must stop assuming that people that disagree with you and the commonly held and seeming prevalent opinion are idiots incapable of thought.

Like I've said previously, I have retained a PHD in Human Behavior and Psychology from the University of Life, and my expert opinion (I've been studying you for a while now), you are hardly one to accuse someone else of poor thinking skills.

In fact, you are on the low side of bright. This is my professional diagnosis.

But I will congratulate you on making a post longer than three sentences that does not contain the words 'vomit' and 'jihad' (I'm just guessing, I didn't read the whole hot mess).

#HotMessHarkonnen

***UPDATE***

After sifting through your illiterate post, it seems you did include both 'vomit' and 'jihad', and for bonus points you tossed in a 'vomitus'.

I apologize for giving you too much credit, broken record boy.

You may go now.

Over 500,000 dead.

Someone will eventually tease out if there are 500,000 more deaths than usual. That was an obvious thing during the Black Death, for example.

I think you shoulda concluded that false positives are uncommon WITH YOUR SISTER-IN-LAW.

LOL.

Perhaps they are well-educated but that doesn’t mean they’re right.

The correlation to that theory is, the scientists you base your faith in are also well-educated but that doesn't mean they're right. Getting government grants and being on t.v. does not confer rightness.

But what it does do, is make you beholden to that grant money and with fame comes money....and chicks.

So there is that.

The real bottom line is, your people have motivation, both political and monetarily (and job security) to skew.

And that's what they do and that's what you have attached your wagon to.

It comes from a certain naivete and lots of indoctrination over a lifetime.

Its almost not your fault.

#ThoseYouTrustTheMost

But, here’s the bottom line. I’ve had my shots. You haven’t.

a.) Like a good sheep should (say that three times fast).

b.) Ping me when the web feet start happening.

c.) You have no idea what I have or haven't done.

I know I have little to fear from the virus.

No you don't. Thinking and knowing are not the same.

You can only hope your Vitamin D supplements protect you.

Don't take 'em. Don't take anything or use any precautions. I'm a freeborn man of the USA and I fear no evil, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.

But you live your life in fear, if that suits you.

Good luck.

Thanks, pal. Y tu tambien.

“Incorrect, Harkonnen. There are actually people who examine data and THEN form an opinion. I’m one of those people. These unique people also have the ability to examine data from opposing viewpoints and modify their opinions, which is a skill that you lack.

You must stop assuming that people that disagree with you and the commonly held and seeming prevalent opinion are idiots incapable of thought.”
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So, bagster, since you are “one of those people”, perhaps you can answer the simple (but essential to you clear thinkers) but UNANSWERED question I posed in post 79 above?

Buehler? Buehler?

...(P)erhaps you can answer the simple (but essential) question....

No I can't. I don't do science (like you). I'm H.R. (University of Life, remember?).

If anybody cares about what you say (doubtful, considering your nasty tone) enough to respond to your question, I'm very sure they will dismantle your argument as its based on a house of sand.

Working? I doubt it, ALL virus outbreaks die out after running their course. It’s spring, normally the time. Absolutely NO evidence the shots ( “ vaccines ”) are causing immunity like a genuine vaccine does.

35000 people were dying from something. We can call it COVID -19 . You can be obtuse all you want you fully understood what was meant

Although there is a lag time for the immunity to fully manifest after vaccination, and between new cases and deaths; Crushing the COVID death rate should be pretty well be baked into the cake by the end of April - and is already, to a significant degree.

I'd like to express my heartfelt appreciation to all those who will make it unnecessary for me to follow in the footsteps of three people I know who have died within days to weeks after taking the shots. Sick of dragging my ill fitting suit out of the closet.

And, by the way, assuming that we FReepers who believe in TRUMP’S VACCINES also agree with the endless business closures, lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates, etc., etc., is an insult.

It is, and a well deserved one.

The two things are connected. All that mess you're talking about is held as a cudgel over people in order to MAKE people take this untested, unproven so-called vaccine that isn't a vaccine.

You brain has been washed to think that you may not have your freedom back until you do what Uncle Sugar tells you to do. Fear and a thirst for freedom are powerful motivators. I almost feel sorry for the sheep.

Because, like that other guy, its almost not your fault. Some people will grovel and lick the master's feet just for a taste of freedom.

Other people fight for it.

Which one are you?

#GiediPrime

#TheVaxMustFlow

35000 people were dying from something.

Did they want to live forever?

Pro-tip: People die. This is not a new invention. Hell, I might even die.

Maybe.

p.s. I'm not 'obtuse'. I'm in shape. Do you even lift, bro?

“...You brain has been washed to think that you may not have your freedom back until you do what Uncle Sugar tells you to do....”
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Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT ME or my brain. My wife and I have taken the Moderna vaccine based our own INFORMED decisions and not by government diktat or fear. When I’m out I will rarely have a mask on unless I’m going into a business where they have on their door a “please wear a mask when entering” sign. And then, as a curtesy, I usually mask up. Although I have to admit having an occasional impulsive thought that I should shift to “Bagster mode” and put on my Long Ranger mask (yes, I do actually have one). I haven’t yielded to that impulse yet but am probably getting closer to doing so.

If you search my postings you’ll see that I WILL tend to address what I know are deceptive posts meant to mislead. I typically will address the deception by asking relevant challenge questions. I rarely get knowledgeable answers and frequently get NO Answer.

I’ve searched about 4 pages of your posts and see that you seem to specialize in insults and snark. Try to make objective, factual posts occasionally... you might learn to like that approach. But you probably won’t. At least buy and wear a Long Ranger mask.

If I go to the actual study, and read Figure 2 graph C, it says 149 more unvaccinated got hospitalized with Covid. Out of 596,618 people. So we should run out and get an experimental aborted-fetus-tested shot for a .025% chance of being hospitalized?!?! Am I reading that figure correctly?

This is similar to the Pfizer Phase 3: 8 extra out of 21500 = .037%.

Dude, you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT ME or my brain.

Exhibit A: And then, as a curtesy.

Exhibit B: ...and put on my Long Ranger mask.

Exhibit C: At least buy and wear a Long Ranger mask.

(these are not typos)

No, I think I got you figured.

I typically will address the deception by asking relevant challenge questions. I rarely get knowledgeable answers and frequently get NO Answer.

There are two reasons for that. One, your constant abusive posts. Telling somebody they are 'vomiting' on the forum and conducing 'jihad' over, and over, and over, marks you as a simpleton.

And two, the level of your questions is not at the level of the conversation.

Many of these 'sciencey' guys that post are faux medical, cut n paste guys, but some of them have actual expertise. While others are ACTUALLY educating themselves by digging deep into ACTUAL research. Ransomnote is one of those. And she has the ability to understand it in conjunction with other research and explain it in layman's terms

I know you don't know this (how could you), but imagine the time consuming tedium it takes for her to educate herself on a subject (any subject) from the comfort of her own home, compile it, present it in easy to understand language, and present it here on FR.

And then here comes House Harkonnen, calling all that work 'vomit', accusing her of posting lies and cultish, conspiracy theories, and being an overall bad.

And what makes it worse is, you come to the table with nothing. No rebuttal. No data. No citations. Nothing. At least some of the other wrongos have presentable arguments.

So don't be amazed when the discourse doesn't come down to your level and respond to your feeble, elementary questions. The smarts are beyond that.

I, on the other hand, relish in the game. I will point out the illogic and weakness in an argument, if I can spot it. Like I said, I'm not in the science branch of the operation, strictly crowd control. And you definitely need controlling.

What I'd advise for you, is to listen more and talk less. You don't have a lot to say, but do have a lot to learn.

Good day, FRiend. I'll let you know when you can return to House Atreides when you deserve it. Until then, you must remain...

#HouseHarkonnen

The trials did not rely on PCR tests, (which you sometimes call PRC).

The literature says they rely on the PCR test and Covid-19 symtoms. That's circular logic. They can have one symptom and no idea what caused it, and then be given an invalid Covid-19 PCR test to "confirm" that one symptom is Covid-19

So this whole post is not relevant. They are based on comparing those vaccinated against unvaccinated controls, for symptoms, hospitalization and death, as well as test results (which does include PCR tests, as well as antibody tests)

Did you read this part?

"How can researchers identify the cause of the Covid-19 symptoms recorded in their trial data?"

They can record respiratory symptoms but they won't know what illness caused those symptoms.

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“Given that the CDC says samples of isolated Covid-19 virus has never been “available” to researchers, how can the vaccine trials prove the efficacy of the vaccines against the Covid-19 virus?”

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From exposure to virus in the wild, like everyone else (including the control group).

They don't have an accurate test to perform in the wild or in a lab.

Those vaccinated are dramatically less likely to develop COVID symptoms, be hospitalized or die - independent of PCR testing.

Those are the metrics of effectiveness.

They have no scientific basis to call those symptoms "Covid". THere are many, many respiratory illnesses. From the reading, they can have 1 symptom to be determined to have active Covid-19. That one symptom is not unique to Covid and there's no test that identifies what caused that symptom.

...it says 149 more unvaccinated got hospitalized with Covid. Out of 596,618 people.

You're missing the important part. That difference happened over 6 weeks while the vaccinated people were building immunity.

At the end of that period there were no more new hospitalizations in the vaccinated group while in the other group they would continue to grow unabated. Over time the difference would be thousands and eventually tens of thousands.

I agree this would be a lot of fuss for a 6 week pandemic, but that isn't what we have.

I like your tag line. Bttt and them some.

Someone will eventually tease out if there are 500,000 more deaths than usual. That was an obvious thing during the Black Death, for example.
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The number I’ve seen “teased out” was around 175,000. I submit that number is a result of prohibiting sick people from being treated for their illness, initial use of ventilators which were too aggressive for infected lung tissue, closing down many diagnostic/surgical and other medical centers for Covid mandates, forcing sick people into nursing homes, infections resulting from masks, people afraid to go to the hospital for their diagnotic appointments or medical emergencies for fear of Covid-19 (e.g., heart attack), and suicide/drug and alcohol abuse due to job loss/isolation from friends/family while constantly bombarded with content and mandates telling them their lives will never be the same, never go back to normal. I’ve also heard child abuse/violence has risen as a result of the despair of lockdowns.

BeauBo just got told.