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States - The Natural Second Party
ArticleVBlog ^ | March 26th 2016 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 03/02/2021 2:17:47 PM PST by Jacquerie

Such is the GOP elite’s fear of Trump that some would rather deal with the loathsome and high criminal Hillary Clinton as president. This alone is proof enough of the existence of a single political party, albeit with two wings, left and right. I don’t recall who was the first to use the term “Uniparty,” but it is certainly accurate.

Political parties traditionally represent the common interests of their members, and to this end the two wings of the Uniparty have far more in common than differences. Their rhetoric often contrasts, but their mutual interests are on display. Witness the sixth year of Obamacare, out of control spending, executive and judicial tyranny. Both wings despise the Tea Party movement more than each other.

The Framers’ Constitution wisely divided power and provided checks that reached across the branches. Congress can deny appropriations, congress can override presidential vetoes, the senate can refuse consent to presidential nominees, presidents can be impeached, and so forth. Unfortunately, these necessary checks have dissolved into practical uselessness. Gone are the contesting institutional interests between the branches which the framers relied upon to prevent tyranny.

The common interests of the Uniparty are avarice and ambition, money and power. All else, even at the cost of the destruction of our economy, civil institutions, cities . . . everything else plays a minor role if any in their deliberations.

This is precisely the form of tyranny warned of by James Madison, in which all power resides in the hands of a backslapping few.

Conservatives have variously called for a real opposition party. Well, one exists. It is right in front of us. Its members have interests distinct from the Uniparty. They have sovereign powers, generally those which they did not grant to the government they created in 1788. They are fully capable of policing their environment, dealing with labor unions, taking care of their poor, etc. without the heavy hand of a distant, detached, and hostile Washington, DC.

If free government is to be restored, a competing interest must be reintroduced to an ever encroaching and centralizing government. That interest resides in the states.

There is nothing radical in returning the states to the senate. To do so means the reversal of tyranny and restoration of republican freedom. There is no substitute. The 17th Amendment must go.

Article V.


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To: Starboard

Quite right about liberals. What has me shaking my head are the conservatives who deny our first duty . . . to provide new guards for our security and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

Yes, it may be too late, but let’s not let history record that we curled up in a corner too frightened to fight.


41 posted on 03/03/2021 1:28:32 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

The fundamental problem for us is that “our party” is not conservative at all. We don’t have a party.


42 posted on 03/03/2021 2:33:11 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

We must get out of the mindset of expecting salvation from a political party. James Madison was all over this. It is why the Framers’ Constitution set up not only separation of powers, but separation of electors as well, which minimized the deleterious effect of parties.

We really screwed up when we assigned the same electors to all of Congress. The outcome, eventual tyranny, was a certainty. To finish off our republic, the rats will soon get around the electoral college and democratize the executive branch as well.

And an Article V COS is dangerous? Barf.


43 posted on 03/03/2021 2:40:07 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Dr. Franklin
It means that the Senate is like the United Nations, where the ambassadors from the sovereign states meet to discuss common national interests.

Would you ask why Ghana has the same representation in the United Nations as the United States?

-PJ

44 posted on 03/03/2021 2:45:26 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Jacquerie

We also screwed up in two other respects. First, our voting system (aside from being a dysfunctional mess) allows the uninformed, greedy takers to negate the votes of the productive makers in society. So what’s the point of responsible citizens bothering to vote in a system which favors the people who want to raid the treasury and bend the rules to suit themselves?

Second, we have allowed government to expand to the point that it now regulates, controls, taxes and influences literally everything in society. We allowed the principles of federalism to die in exchange for government largesse and the notion that it will generally taking care of us if only we entrust our fate to them.

Third, the Founding Fathers took great pains to protect us from the inevitable abuses of power by big government. We ignored their warnings and now we are paying the price. We have mostly relinquished our rights to liberty, privacy and self-protection.

For these and other reasons the republic as we once knew it is gone. I no longer recognize the country I grew up in. It is a faded memory.


45 posted on 03/03/2021 2:57:54 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Political Junkie Too
It means that the Senate is like the United Nations, where the ambassadors from the sovereign states meet to discuss common national interests. Would you ask why Ghana has the same representation in the United Nations as the United States?

Ghana does not have the same representation in the U.N. as the U.S. The U.S. is a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with veto power, which is like the upper house of the U.N. A U.S. citizen can't just move to Ghana and claim citizenship there with all accompanying rights. Your comparison is between apples and oranges.
46 posted on 03/03/2021 2:58:01 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Starboard

Like Winston Smith, our memories of a freer America grow dim, but we remember enough to know we are in big trouble.

Considering how big media/tech censorship and banned books, send all manner of American greatness down the Memory Hole, I wonder how many Americans born today will even have the opportunity to learn our wonderful history.


47 posted on 03/03/2021 3:24:18 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Dr. Franklin

<>There is a large difference between expressing an opinion to which one is attached, and persuading others that it is correct, or desirable<>

Not my opinion. It is what our Framers designed. Given your screenname, you can avoid further embarrassment by studying the Federal Convention.


48 posted on 03/03/2021 4:14:21 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: linMcHlp

I understand this may not be the proposal, but it is my belief on what will happen.

No one can be assured of an outcome if we open that can of worms.


49 posted on 03/03/2021 5:01:14 PM PST by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: Jacquerie

An Article V COS just makes the process that much faster.

And since I believe an Article V COS will result in the elimination of the electoral college, the Senate, and the State Legislatures, we will have nothing but a big, beautiful, socialist government run by the group that has the most factions aligned with its overall promises ... just like they have all across Europe.


50 posted on 03/03/2021 5:06:32 PM PST by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: Dr. Franklin
And yet, Ghana produced a Secretary General of the United Nations, and the United States has not.

-PJ

51 posted on 03/03/2021 6:29:27 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: beancounter13

You believe much yet are certain of nothing.


52 posted on 03/03/2021 7:13:01 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

True, and I would rather be wrong with what I believe than trust and have you be wrong in what you believe.

If nothing is done, and I was wrong, then we carry on as we are today.

If we hold an Article V COS, and you are wrong, then we lose what little freedom we have.


53 posted on 03/03/2021 8:38:58 PM PST by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
And yet, Ghana produced a Secretary General of the United Nations, and the United States has not.

The U.S. pays for the U.N. It's prestigious that we host it. We don't need the show of having a U.S. Secretary General, and don't want it. That "honor" is left for smaller countries as part of the politics of the U.N. For the U.S. it is far more important that our policies prevail, not winning a token "leadership" post there which may simply be our puppet at times.
54 posted on 03/04/2021 7:42:36 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jacquerie
Not my opinion. It is what our Framers designed. Given your screenname, you can avoid further embarrassment by studying the Federal Convention.

The Framers designed a system in which a slave counted as 3/5 of a person. They were wise enough to understand that they weren't perfect, and that a constitution would need to be changed from time to time. To date, that has been done 27 times. Jefferson, who didn't attend the convention noted:
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
If you prefer to wear a thread bare coat that you had as a boy, you are free to do so. Imposing that on others requires more persuasion than what you have produced.
55 posted on 03/04/2021 8:01:31 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Dr. Franklin
But still, my point was that the Senate acts as a similar venue for the states. Senators are effectively ambassadors for sovereign governments to the federation.

As ambassadors selected by the state legislatures, each sovereign state government has equal representation to discuss national matters. This was set up differently from the House, where Representatives are elected by the people at the district level, and more populous states had more Representatives.

The 17th amendment changed the role of Senators from ambassadors to super-Representatives, since they were no longer directly appointed by the legislatures with the intent on representing their state's long-term needs to the other states (hence their six-year terms).

The vertical alignment of people -> state legislature -> Senators was broken. We now have:

The state governments themselves have been outflanked by the federal government and no longer have a direct participation in the federation of states. The 17th amendment took that away.

-PJ

56 posted on 03/04/2021 9:00:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
But still, my point was that the Senate acts as a similar venue for the states. Senators are effectively ambassadors for sovereign governments to the federation.

The states are far from sovereign entities. If they were they could secede without inviting federal intervention or civil war.

The 17th amendment changed the role of Senators from ambassadors to super-Representatives, since they were no longer directly appointed by the legislatures with the intent on representing their state's long-term needs to the other states (hence their six-year terms). That completely misses the point that the 14th Amendment had so radically changed the relationship between the states and federal government that the 17th Amendment then followed. States could no longer decide who their citizens were and who could vote in state elections.

The vertical alignment of people -> state legislature -> Senators was broken. We now have:

Now we have a massively corrupt system fed by corporate money. The founders would call it classical corruption, in that even if legal, the public interest is not served by it. Returning the election of senators to the state legislatures would just funnel the corporate money there. No actual systemic reform would occur, but it might speed up a revolution. Only further concentration of power in the oligarchs would occur from such a "restoration". We might as well rename the Senate the House of Oligarchs.
57 posted on 03/05/2021 4:40:08 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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