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To: Thud

I am going to make a couple of assumptions about your comments at #40 and then offer my own opinion. First I assume you are being succinctly blunt to make your point forcefully and not that you have no detail to your argument and opinion. Second I assume you have some nuance to this argument if you were to discuss it in detail and that it is not barstool know-it-all due to your specific knowledge of government.

If that is correct I offer that I never assumed Trump to be other than what he was, an outsider businessman that said he could get to the heart of government better than the career politicians and stay focused on what the constituents felt was good government, He did not say he had connections and a long history to bring a great large team on with him, like Reagan did from his California days. He did not say that he knew the consequences of burning every bridge to other Republicans with his Primary strategy — that too making his administration weak due to appointees that didn’t function. He cannot however be blamed for not thinking the state legislatures would fail to act at all as wholesale election fraud went unanswered — it had never occurred on this scale.

We, those over 40 are as much to be blamed as Trump — we took little interest in government since the sixties. We were sickened by our leftist brothers whom we thought were fringe and not that strong and we lived our careers, tried to build a good retirement and have good families and we let the politicians be the petty crooks and functionaries they were going to always be. We didn’t ride down any escalator and announce to the press that we would waste half our fortune to show how average citizens could bash the swamp.

I think your point is imperfectly made if you lay this all at the foot of the aggrandizing developer that tried to set his country right. Would the same have come about (although at a different timing) if Jeb had won? Hillary?

Having been a General Contractor my whole life I can’t stand most developers and certainly not the Art of the Deal types like Trump but he did a much more honest and better job than I anticipated. This outcome was ordained by the criminality and leftism in the Swamp of our government, not by Trump’s weaknesses in not being able to stop it. AND also laid at our feet, the average citizen.


96 posted on 02/28/2021 9:11:30 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

I agree with you wholeheartedly our generation was asleep at the wheel if Trump succeeded overwhelmingly at ONE thing it was to expose just how corrupt every damn department of our government has become!! The WHOLE DAMN THING has become politically weaponized and it has slowly happened on our generations watch!! Makes me nauseous and full of guilt!!!


97 posted on 02/28/2021 9:19:20 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: KC Burke
Certainly it is more nuanced than that, but doing so would get into legal details which would make most readers' eyes glaze over.

My point is and was that Trump accused the Democrats of cheating months in advance of the election and provided sufficient details of it to establish that he knew very well exactly how they were going about it. So did lots of us, including my friends and I.

Despite that, Trump did nothing to stop the cheating before the election, and was caught by surprise when it happened. In particular he didn't have investigators out gathering evidence in advance of the election, or lawyers preparing lawsuits for filing after the election.

One point to consider is that Trump pretty much froze the GOP in place by accusing the Democrats of cheating before the election, with sufficient details of it to establish that he knew how they proposed to cheat. We all this meant he was prepared to deal with the Democrats' cheating.

But he wasn't, did nothing and cost us our freedom.

This is not blaming the victim for the Democrats' destruction of our freedom. This is blaming the dude who headed off the rest of the GOP from doing anything effective to fight the cheating before it was too late. The Democrats certainly deserve the vast amount of the blame, but they are our enemy. Trump was on our side and fully merits his share of the blame.

Which I repeat again is sufficent that we should never trust him with further office. We must move on from him and do what we have to do.

And I fully expect that will, eventually, be a second American Revolution. It's too early to tell what form that will take - a Kurt Schlichter style separation into Blue and Red nations is certainly possible.

102 posted on 02/28/2021 10:36:26 PM PST by Thud
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