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Alternate Electors NOT Forwarded to Congress
Frank Thorp ^

Posted on 01/05/2021 5:20:59 PM PST by TigerClaws

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To: mquinn
Actually, I’ve been saying that the authority to reject lies only with Congress.

But now the National Archive rejects and you agree with it.

61 posted on 01/05/2021 6:26:10 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: DesertRhino
So.... I see you more as a checkers man than a chess player?

Actually my passion is for Go. Simple game. That takes a lifetime to master.

Maybe the one thing China has given us that I actually like right now.

But I catch what you mean.

62 posted on 01/05/2021 6:28:17 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (#notmypedophile)
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To: FreeReign
The Constitution says that it's the legislatures that send the electors for the states and not the state governors.

(a) That's not what my copy of the Constitution says; if yours says something different, please quote it.

(b) In any event, no state legislature has sent any alternate slate of electors to the National Archives.

63 posted on 01/05/2021 6:30:35 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Armscor38
No. They only accepted the slates of electors certified by the states.

Those slates of electors that you refer to are certified by the governors of the states. That's not a constitutional certification of electors.

So the National Archive is allowing one unconstitutional slate of electors to pass but not another.

64 posted on 01/05/2021 6:33:18 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: TigerClaws
**** THIS IS FAKE NEWS *****

Try to find another legit source that this story is real. I searched and cannot find it.

65 posted on 01/05/2021 6:33:19 PM PST by tarpit
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To: John S Mosby
...and then her facelift synthetic lifters melt and her face fall over her chin

Pelosi getting ready for January 20th:


66 posted on 01/05/2021 6:33:59 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (#notmypedophile)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
(a) That's not what my copy of the Constitution says; if yours says something different, please quote it.

Well, you're a libertarian so perhaps your version of the Constitution is different? ;)

Seriously, I'm sure you know what Article Two says. It says that the "manner" in which the states send the electors is by the state legislature. And it is the state legislatures that direct the electors.

(b) In any event, no state legislature has sent any alternate slate of electors to the National Archives.

Of course, but some states have sent two slates of unconstitutional electors. And the National Archive has decide to keep only one of those.

67 posted on 01/05/2021 6:38:39 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

“That’s not a constitutional certification of electors.”

If the legislature passed a law saying the governor certifies the electors, then that’s constitutional as the Constitution gives state legislatures authority to determine how electors are certified.


68 posted on 01/05/2021 6:40:47 PM PST by Armscor38
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To: John S Mosby

“He is not alone. They pull any guerrilla stunts, on the streets of DC and all hell breaks loose. He is the #1 Law Enfrorcement officer of the United States. They can try and impeach him later... but these are LAWS they passed years ago, and are there for a reason- even against later swamp monsters.”
Just posted, a Trump supporter has discovered a hidden stash of 2x6 lumber and Dozens of Propane Tanks on a side street near where the Trump Supporters will be gathered. She posted it on Social Media and I assume she also contacted the police. When I said, Guerilla Warfare is what the dems are engaged in I wasn’t being metaphorical. Meanwhile the “Republicans” fiddle while Rome burns.


69 posted on 01/05/2021 6:43:03 PM PST by ocrp1982 ( Long before the Wuhan Virus )
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To: TigerClaws; All
"NEW: The office of the National Archives tells @NBCNews it received alternate slates of electors from the GOP in 5 states: AZ GA NM NV PA"
Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added]; […]"

Electors were intended to be independent of state governors and legislatures imo. So the non-elector certification of electoral votes and alternate destination addresses of Electoral Count Act violate the chain of custody of electoral votes from electors to vice president specified in the 12th Amendment imo.

Corrections, insights welcome.

70 posted on 01/05/2021 6:43:30 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: FreeReign
Those slates of electors that you refer to are certified by the governors of the states. That's not a constitutional certification of electors.

The state legislators crafted and passed laws giving the right of certification to their states' governors.

Why don't you think the state legislatures have the power to do this?

The US Constitution gives them the right to choose the manner of selecting electors.

71 posted on 01/05/2021 6:47:56 PM PST by semimojo
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To: John S Mosby

No. The archivist only forwarded the electors that were certified by the state. The “alternate” electors are still sitting at the archivist.


72 posted on 01/05/2021 6:49:02 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: drjimmy

Some people on this thread (and forum)want to believe in fairy tales. Doesn’t matter what you show them.


73 posted on 01/05/2021 6:50:23 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: gw-ington

It’s not incorrect. Mosby doesn’t know what he is talking about. The alternate electors were not forwarded to congress.


74 posted on 01/05/2021 6:51:25 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: FreeReign

“ So then the National Archive has the power to make the decision on what is an illegal slate of electors.”

These pretend Electors are not illegal - they are - nothing.


75 posted on 01/05/2021 6:52:17 PM PST by Jim Noble (Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning)
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To: FreeReign

I think your top speed lags a bit behind my lowest gear.

The National Archives and Records Administration does not exist in a bubble; what it does is governed by statue passed by Congress, signed by the Executive.

Here;

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/provisions

Knock yourself out.


76 posted on 01/05/2021 6:55:04 PM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Armscor38
If the legislature passed a law saying the governor certifies the electors, then that’s constitutional as the Constitution gives state legislatures authority to determine how electors are certified.

I believe the Constitution only gives the legislature the authority to pick the electors. It doesn't give the legislature the authority to legislate that another branch pick the electors.

The Constitution says that the legislature "directs" the electors. It doesn't say that the legislature directs another branch to direct the electors.

77 posted on 01/05/2021 6:57:41 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: TigerClaws

Sounds right.

There was never any Legislative certification of those ballots.


78 posted on 01/05/2021 7:04:18 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: erkelly

Leftists are generally ignorant about how people see this election. It is hidden from them by the Leftist media and Big Tech.


79 posted on 01/05/2021 7:04:47 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreeReign

” It doesn’t give the legislature the authority to legislate that another branch pick the electors.”

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors…” (Article II, Section 1)

the Constitution declares that state legislatures have the power to decide how electors are appointed.


80 posted on 01/05/2021 7:11:43 PM PST by Armscor38
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